Nobody here said that racism against Indians doesn't exist. But this post isn't an example of that. Right now all you guys are accomplishing is making people feel you are over entitled and not that you are fighting racism. I've seen many people complain about racism against Indians here on HN rightfully, there is no reason to assume Indians are bad or speak as if Indian developers are bad and many people still do those things. But this post isn't one of those racist posts, this post is completely reasonable.
And you can think that, just like people can think you are racist for telling Indians what they can and can’t find reasonable about their own stereotypes.
“I should hire some bottom of the barrel bootcamp graduates”.
Bootcamp graduates in this example is a derogatory name for sub-par devs. We know this because there is a stigma around bootcamp devs in the industry. If you said this, no one is doing the mental gymnastics of “oh, they are separating the great bootcampers from the bottom of the barrel”. No, they assume you look down on bootcamps. Context matters. History matters. Saying “bottom of the barrel Indian devs” in todays software industry, is a racist remark.
Right. And the context in this case is cost to run a company with a given headcount. The cost of 200 bottom of the barrel developers in America and 200 bottom of the barrel developers in India is substantial, which is why you have to include the location in this context.
If the context was talking about the efficiency of developers instead of cost you would have a point, but it isn't.
> Maybe because Indian/Asian developers are not valued as much as other parts of the world.
Maybe Indian/Asian developer not sell their services at rates they consider cheap. It's a cycle that will continue if they keep selling their labor at low price.
You’re right - I hear other less fortunate parts of the world are ready for their turn to get overworked and underpaid. Not like it has to do with the fact they hold the worlds largest populations or anything. Nah, you’re right. Their boards should tell them to raise prices and reject all else. Who cares if the kids don’t eat?
Then maybe it's you who need to get down from high horse and realize people do not live beyond space and time. And people just can't choose the best things at any place and any time.
> Who cares if the kids don’t eat?
Ah, I thought kids in poor countries could just eat virtues provided free of cost from otherwise no-good virtue signalers.
I explicitly said mistakes happen, chalking it up to accidental wording. Two comments up. [1]
And yes, I went very far out of my way to comment on the website I visit multiple times a day.
You can continue doing your word gymnastics. Again, “devs stationed in India” !== “Indian devs”. Yes, words are ambiguous, which is why it is important we try to get them right!
You are right he could have been more clear, but the backlash here is unwarranted since there was no way that comment was racist. Instead they should just have pointed out that he could have phrased the comment better, but assuming he is racist just because he phrased it poorly like many others here do is just toxic. It is very clear what he meant if you think a bit.
Would you please stop perpetutating this flamewar? You've made your point with 16 comments in this thread alone. That's quite enough—this is not a place for repeating the same arguments over and over, which only feeds them.
"Don't feed egregious comments by replying; flag them instead."
Would you please stop perpetutating this flamewar? You've made your point with a dozen comments in this thread alone. That's quite enough—this is not a place for repeating the same arguments over and over, which only feeds them.
"Don't feed egregious comments by replying; flag them instead."
Actually, it’s fairly amusing but if you even mildly reference the skill level of the mediocre middle-American developer, you will be flagkilled and downvoted.
But there’s a reason those guys are on Reddit and HN complaining they can’t pass whiteboard interviews and other people are not.
Would you please stop perpetutating this flamewar? You've made your point with 17 comments in this thread alone. That's quite enough—this is not a place for repeating the same arguments over and over, which only feeds them.
The GP obviously broke the site guidelines by tossing in casual flamebait in a way that was guaranteed to be inflammatory, but if the rest of you had followed the site guidelines yourselves, by flagging the comment instead of posting dozens of replies and blowing it up into a completely off-topic flamewar with 100+ comments and counting, the damage would have been minimal instead of extreme.
Also, we've had to ask you about exactly this sort of thing in the past. That's not cool.
"Don't feed egregious comments by replying; flag them instead."
"Eschew flamebait. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents."
