> Vaccines should not be a personal freedom choice.
I don't do personal attacks but in your case I'll make an exception: you are a fucking psychopath if you think it's ok to tell people to get a jag for something that is killing literally no one right now!
We're at around 100 deaths per day right now in the UK [0] and those stats don't actually tell you if they died FROM covid or merely had covid 28 days earlier when they died (massive difference!)... completely hides the real data.
In addition, there are on average 450 deaths per day from cancer [1] so where is the big gov. push to eradicate that?
Here are the overall death stats in the UK [2]. COVID is a tiny fraction of it.
Wouldn't this imply that the vaccine is physically harmful to you? There is literally no argument against it if you don't imply that. Do you think it is? I am really interested to discuss this with somebody who isn't a conspiracy theorist, so I'd be happy if you can answer.
> Wouldn't this imply that the vaccine is physically harmful to you?
I have no evidence to say that the vaccine is physically harmful to me, personally, but there are plenty of stories on the web where people in the prime of their health, have been struck down with something after taking it.
However, there is plenty of evidence to say that covid itself is not harmful at all... look at the stats - literally no one is dying!
These jags are also brand new: they're a few years old so there is ZERO data on long-term risks. None! For all we know, in a few years people may start dropping dead with heart conditions.
Now, if covid was as life-threatening to the majority of people as it is being marketed as, then I can potentially see a case where people should get it but the figures do not lie: almost no one is dying from covid.
Remember, this covid jag is a treatment for something that it's unlikely you will succumb to. So, should you get every vaccine going just in case?
Additionally, the gov wants you to keep taking it, over and over again! That will increase your long-term risk (again, zero data on the long-term effects!).
Plus, by giving in and taking it each time you're told, what kind of world are you leaving your children? They're going to have to get a medical procedure to go to the pub ffs!
So, in answer to your question about whether it's harmful... we don't know and the thing is do you really want to risk your health and that of your children for something that has almost zero chance of affecting you?
Edit: Forgot to say, the point of these jags (despite them incorrectly being called vaccines) is only to make you feel better when you catch it. Make no mistake, they DO NOT prevent infection, DO NOT prevent re-infection, DO NOT prevent spreading... so what the hell are they for? I believe that the newest strain that was discovered in South Africa was in someone with the covid jag...
> They are a life saving invention, where did we go as a society that this is suddenly up for debate?
So condoms, another life-saving invention, should also be mandated? Should you lose your job if you don't wear your seat belt? (Wearing a seat belt does save others by preventing you from becoming an out-of-control projectile and hitting others.) Should people be prevented from buying unpasteurized milk if they want it? Should smokers be forced to quit with the threat of losing their job or fines or jail time, especially since their smoke affects others?
> Did people forget that we eradicated Polio, Tetanus, Hepatitis etc?
Those are sterilizing vaccines that survived longer scrutiny than the COVID ones, and the COVID ones are not sterilizing.
To be honest, the lies around the COVID vaccines have me now questioning those supposedly safe vaccines.
> Where does this sudden influx of people come from that are opposed to this absolute incredible work of science?
If they are anything like me, they came because of the lies we were told. Once we figured out they were lies, it was a natural thing to question other things.
And the vaccines are not an incredible work of "science." They are an engineering effort. That sounds a lot like Fauci claiming that people who criticize him are criticizing science, as though he defines what science is.
Your examples are, in my opinion, poorly chosen - the only ones of relevance are the seatbelt and the smoking ones, since those actually can harm others. And in these cases, there have been laws put in place to limit other people's exposure to this danger, like seatbelt driving laws and smoke free areas.
What lies where there? The only point that I saw until now was the correlation of positive tests within 28 days that another commenter pointed out, but I don't know if that's directly a lie. Can you name one that specially bugs you?
I don't see why you refuse to call vaccines a science effort - it is wholly backed by decades of research when you consider the mRNA transport mechanism (and not the payload itself, I agree here).
Lies like telling people they don't need to wear masks at the beginning (or maybe the lie was flipping to saying we did), or the admission that the goalposts were being moved on herd immunity, or the lie that gain of function research was not funded by the NIH. There are plenty of lies. And those are just the ones admitted. Never mind the fact that Fauci and others have stakes in pharma companies.
Regarding those laws, as I alluded to, they don't take away people's livelihoods. And they are actual laws, not edicts by a governor.
The vaccines may have science behind their creation, but engineering always comes into play when you have to actually create something. The science created the theory, but engineering creates implementations. And I don't trust these implementations the same way I might like theory behind a programming concept but not trust implementations. Like in cryptography.
You would need to exert significant physical force upon me to inject a vaccine into me when I am not willing to subject myself to it. As per the universal human right to security of person, I have an equal right to refuse vaccination. You are advocating for the dissolution of universal human rights that arise from physical reality. As a human, I will have to disagree with you.
