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Not a fan of the "you should educate yourself" retort whenever people ask for definitions. It happens in that Github thread over what a "protected class" entails.


Can't educate myself if you don't give me a pointer.

That said, "please help me understand" is sometimes a bad faith tactic to claim ignorance of basic empathy.


The community CoC is about to change and the person sincerely wishes to understand what is going to change and why. I myself try my very best to keep my words respectful and productive. I could see myself asking the same question when faced with such a confusing situation, because I'd sincerely try to respect the new guidelines.

Harassment is never okay and I find it problematic that the entire GitHub thread seemed hostile with a toxic mindset where if you don't fully agree on the actions being taken, you're assumed to not understand the intentions behind them. You're treated like an ignorant fool, who needs to "go educate themselves" and get "woke". Productive discussion seems forbidden. You can become a troll by claiming anyone else to be a troll whenever they disagree.

You had no bad intentions yourself and I agree that way too many people do lack a basic sense of respect, but please avoid making such condescending statements if someone could be sincerely asking others to clarify their thoughts.


the "bad faith actor/tactic" argument is a dismissive mechanism to justify overreaction.


Whenever I’m arguing about a position I’m expected to thoroughly define terms and provide citations. Yet, when I ask what a nebulous term entails the onus is on me to “educate” myself … as if what they’re saying is self-evident. It’s so underhanded.


It's like when someone tells me to "read more theory".


> dismissive mechanism

Yes, it is. It is meant to dismiss trolls.

> to justify overreaction

Trolls should be banned, because they are poison to a community. As such, it is not an overreaction to use a mechanism like this.


I don’t have hours every day to research every little thing. You want to be an ambassador for your views? Provide context and references.


What is there to research? I said what a bad faith argument is for (banning trolls) and why it is necessary (trolls are poison). This addresses the post I responded to in it's entirety.


I would really appreciate if you didn't post things like this under a name that looks like mine.


> That said, "please help me understand" is sometimes a bad faith tactic to claim ignorance of basic empathy.

Not all empathetic responses are justified, nor are they shared or universal even within the same culture. That's why humans have literally devoted millennia to the study of ethics.

I think any response to these scenarios that suggests we just need to apply empathy is deeply ignorant of basic facts of ethics and human psychology. I understand people try to game the system with these tactics, but that sort of response is not a solution.


Accusing others of "bad faith" has seemingly become one of the most common bad faith tactics around.


>Not a fan of the "you should educate yourself" retort

Also not a fan of this. My response would be something along the lines of:

"I'm not going to 'educate' myself on your delusional beliefs for the same reason I'm not going to 'educate' myself when my schizophrenic uncle tells me to learn more about the 5G towers tracking people's vaccine chips and giving everyone cancer."




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