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> Does it have tons of telemetry. . .? Sure!

I'm somehow unable to identify the moment where the computer stopped being your kingdom and we started to happily share access to it with various companies. It was not always like this! I remember repeatedly clicking "no" when Windows 98 politely asked if I agree to send a bug report to Microsoft.



No one sensible is happy about it. Many are happily being paid to promote Win11 in a fake grass roots kinda way. Microsoft has admitted to gaming Hackernews and yet hacker news continues to permit their submarine advertisements.


>Microsoft has admitted to gaming Hackernews

This is interesting. Where did you see that?


https://sg.finance.yahoo.com/news/microsoft-corp-msft-q1-201...

"In fact, this morning, I was reading a news article in Hacker News, which is a community where we have been working hard to make sure that Azure is growing in popularity and I was pleasantly surprised to see that we have made a lot of progress..."


This is an extremely important piece of information. It made me sad at first, because I'd expect that smart people (that includes dang & pg, not only the users) are harder to game. Nevertheless, when you take into account almost limitless resources Microsoft has, it's no wonder they managed to influence the discussion here. Specifically, HN is the main place where I hear the voices that MS completely changed, that they have nothing to do with their misbehavior from the 90s - which seems a bit naïve at least.

In any case, it's good to remember that whenever any MS-related topic comes up.


It was definitely when one agreed to use Windows 10, if we’re talking about MS operating systems.


There is another comment in this thread about how “Microsoft has put lipstick on a pig and hasn’t made what the users actally need”.

Quite opposite - we can be sure that Microsoft have focused on what features to develop for Win11 based on telemetry data from Win10. Whats so bad about that? (Sadly, turns out what the majority needs is not realy what the small tech crowd “needs”)

I’ve never really understood the outrage. Win11 IS the culmination of Win10 telemetry data.

In the “good old days”, when we drove to fix our cars to a dealer- they catalogued how worn out are some parts together with mileage. To know which ones to improve for next models. How is this different than telemetry? Or new?


I am pretty well convinced that the use of telemetry has had a net-negative effect on software development. Not that the use of telemetry data is inherently bad, but that so many companies appear to use it nearly exclusively, and tend to draw conclusions from it that are questionable.


> I'm somehow unable to identify the moment where the computer stopped being your kingdom

Phones started it, and Windows 10 followed (That's when I stopped using Windows). The only reason my kid still have a Windows PC is Roblox (but it is starting to work pretty well in Linux).




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