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Managers should not have leverage over employees. Any management is simply, straight up, abuse. Sorry not sorry your chosen profession was not viable. That's not my fault.


This must be a popular attitude with your employer?

Do you really see no option to have a firm that requires the coordination of staff be a large enough task that it deserves its own specialists, or are you violating HN guidelines for fun?


I think we could be more open-minded about it though. Maybe “manager” could be a position that developers rotate through, like I’ve seen done with the position of scrum master.

No need for a dedicated person and everyone gets management experience.

Or maybe management could be automated away somehow. I mean in an ideal world, if a person isn’t a worker then they’re redundant in a way, aren’t they? Let’s have computers doing the organizing.


Thank you for some sanity.


I think it depends on what management means. I work (well, until they turfed my department today) for a project manager and they manage my day to day activities. I suspect they do disagree with this part.

I am officially managed by the director of software development. Formal employment stuff is run through him.


You could be right, and I can say that I don’t really enjoy being project managed all the time. But, project management is not always abuse, even if it sometimes seems poorly aligned with corporate goals.

Management, like other disciplines, is hard. The odd part is that it is frequently treated as a secondary responsibility for people who also have other jobs.


Management is not only hard but also populated with sadists, because they are the only ones willing to manage.


What's your excuse for being with a world where dominance and submission is tolerated as a requirement to survive?


Specialization of labor. 200 is a big company to have none.


"200 is a big company to have none" I can't parse this sentence. Are you saying 200 people without managers in untenable? Because I know for a fact that is not true.


That's correct. I believe firms should not have more than 200 employees, based on life experience.


Also "my employer" lololololololoolol




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