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> Exactly. The people who dominate a law and order based society are a totally different set of people from those who dominate a Hobbesian “state of nature.”

Yeah, after societal collapse my money is on these groups taking over (in this order):

1. Rogue ex-military

2. Existing street gangs

3. Some dude from the local community (if they have access to weapons), starting something that ends up like a gang.



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