> It's not happening in the US, China or Europe. T
In Germany, Google, Apple, Facebook and Amazon compete for CS, electrical, and mech eng students with BMW, Daimler, Audi, Airbus, etc.
These classical engineering companies can't compete with FAANG salaries here. The top of my class had offers from many of them, but they all ended up in FAANG, because the salaries were 2x what the others were offering, with larger room to grow.
> The best talent at Google are not even working on ad tech.
Improving web server performance, source control tools, etc. at, e.g., Facebook, is not "working on ad-tech" per se, but rather work on the infrastructure that supports ad tech.
Arguably, working on "traffic in Google maps" is not working on "ad tech", but rather working on adding value to an app so that it can serve more ads, etc.
I work at FAANG. Many in my team are "aerospace engineer", "structural engineer", "civil engineer", "electrical engineer", "astrophysicist", "chemist", "mathematician", etc.. All top of their class, now doing CS, working "indirectly" on ad-tech.
That does not mean that the companies above fail to attract good engineers. But most people in my team, including myself, had to choose between working at any of the top firms for engineering in our "field", or going to FAANG to do CS and work (directly or indirectly) on ad tech.
One new hire recently was doubting between working here at FAANG or at SpaceX, and at the end, after being a bit burned out from their PhD, they decided they preferred to work at FAANG on ad-tech because: n-times more salary, for a fraction of the hours.
> That's a super short list that instantly destroys the claim
The claim is that normal companies can't compete with FAANG for top talent.
I don't see how the fact that normal engineering companies can find engineers debunks that claim.
It's not that working in automotive industry is a lit more exciting than working for adtech. Also taking in the account that not only the compensation, but also the culture in SV companies is more developer-friendly.
In Germany, Google, Apple, Facebook and Amazon compete for CS, electrical, and mech eng students with BMW, Daimler, Audi, Airbus, etc.
These classical engineering companies can't compete with FAANG salaries here. The top of my class had offers from many of them, but they all ended up in FAANG, because the salaries were 2x what the others were offering, with larger room to grow.
> The best talent at Google are not even working on ad tech.
Improving web server performance, source control tools, etc. at, e.g., Facebook, is not "working on ad-tech" per se, but rather work on the infrastructure that supports ad tech.
Arguably, working on "traffic in Google maps" is not working on "ad tech", but rather working on adding value to an app so that it can serve more ads, etc.
> Pfizer, Merck, Amgen, Regeneron, Moderna, Biogen, Gilead, AbbVie, Abbott, Bristol-Myers, Eli Lilly, Illumina, Intuitive Surgical, Apple, Microsoft, Adobe, Nvidia, Intel, AMD, Texas Instruments, Cisco, Qualcomm, Micron, LAM, KLA, Applied Materials, SpaceX, Tesla, Caterpillar, Honeywell, DuPont, General Dynamics, Lockheed, Northrop, Boeing, 3M, Boston Scientific, Stryker, Edwards Lifesciences, Johnson & Johnson, Medtronic, Monsanto.
I work at FAANG. Many in my team are "aerospace engineer", "structural engineer", "civil engineer", "electrical engineer", "astrophysicist", "chemist", "mathematician", etc.. All top of their class, now doing CS, working "indirectly" on ad-tech.
That does not mean that the companies above fail to attract good engineers. But most people in my team, including myself, had to choose between working at any of the top firms for engineering in our "field", or going to FAANG to do CS and work (directly or indirectly) on ad tech.
One new hire recently was doubting between working here at FAANG or at SpaceX, and at the end, after being a bit burned out from their PhD, they decided they preferred to work at FAANG on ad-tech because: n-times more salary, for a fraction of the hours.
> That's a super short list that instantly destroys the claim
The claim is that normal companies can't compete with FAANG for top talent.
I don't see how the fact that normal engineering companies can find engineers debunks that claim.