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> Github does not own the Arctic Vault, there is an independent company behind it

Github are the ones doing all the archiving. So, in essence, they do own that. Piql are just the ones providing the storage: it's a commercial for-profit entity employed for backup by another commercial for-profit entity.




It is technically true, but the Arctic World Archive specifically "accepts deposits that are globally significant for the benefit of future generations, as well as information that is significant to your organisation or to you individually" [1]. So it doesn't accept any data (at least as far as I see) and the Github archive should also have met this criteria.

By the way, my initial statement that it may qualify for copyright exemptions turned out to be false for a different reason. They only apply when the library and/or archive in question is open to the public, and the Github Arctic Vault isn't. Thus I think it's actually a Github's generic usage grant in the ToS [2] that allows for the Vault. The Copilot is, of course, very different to anything described in the ToS.

[1] https://arcticworldarchive.org/contribute/

[2] https://docs.github.com/en/github/site-policy/github-terms-o...


> but the Arctic World Archive specifically...

...provides prime-rate marketing bullshit in its marketing materials

> Thus I think it's actually a Github's generic usage grant in the ToS

If you refer to Section D.4, then:

- Arctic Vault is not "for future generations", but for GitHub only, since that section doesn't permit GitHum to just make copies willy-nilly for anything other than "as necessary to provide the Service, including improving the Service over time" and "make backups"

- This specifically makes GitHub "the owner" of that data, and not "some third-party" as you originally suggested


If you insist the term "owner" for copyright grants, you have a faulty understanding of copyright. The terms of service, much like software license, only allows for the licensee to do some specific things (in this case, including backups) under certain circumstances agreed upon in advance. Copyright assignment, which is akin to the ownership transfer, is much harder.

> This specifically makes GitHub "the owner" of that data, and not "some third-party" as you originally suggested

This one is my fault though, I've used the "Arctic Vault" as an archival site, but as I later realized it is a Github's archive stored in the Arctic World Archive. So yeah, it's (only) Github that can retrieve the data.


So this basically brings us into agreement :)

This is a commercial for-profit company, GitHub, taking some code and storing it in cold storage of some other commercial for-profit company, with no one, except these two parties have access to this code. And it doesn't look like GitHub even has the right to do it because it stores it for some purpose other than whatever is stated in their ToS.

I wonder if the whole kerfuffle around Copilot will end up spilling some light on this, too.




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