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> i have seen no-tip service implemented in a way that satisfied employees.

Have you seen no-tip service implemented with waitstaff earning as much as they did before?

> if tipped service was abolished tomorrow, employers would figure it out.

Of course they would figure it out if tipped service were abolished. But I am confident the outcome of whatever they figured out would result in lower take-home pay for waitstaff, as waitstaff would no longer be able to earn more money by switching to an establishment that allowed tips.



>Have you seen no-tip service implemented with waitstaff earning as much as they did before?

Yes. This entire thread is just me telling you repeatedly for twenty-four hours that equivalent compensation is the only thing that works.


I don't doubt that equivalent compensation is necessary to get waitstaff to stay. I do doubt that it's possible for a restaurant to switch to no-tipping, offer equivalent compensation, and pay the kitchen staff more equitably.


oh well in that case i guess we'd better just cut to the chase, expropriate the owners and collectivize




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