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> Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. It tramples curiosity.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

To answer your question, the article refers to Israel’s 9.2 million citizens. This includes about 1.9 million Arab Israelis, many who self-identify as Palestinian citizens of Israel or Israeli Palestinians.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel

It mostly does not include the nearly 5 million Palestinians living in the West Bank and Gaza Strip who are not citizens of Israel.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinians

However, it does include Palestinians in East Jerusalem who have Israeli residency status, as well as Palestinians who come to work in Israel or in Israeli settlements in the West Bank.

https://www.bbc.com/news/55800921

(I happen to think Israel should provide assistance, definitely in the West Bank, and as much as possible in the Gaza Strip, from both a practical and moral standpoint [tikkun olam], even if it is not legally obligated to do so based on the Oslo accords. But, politics.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tikkun_olam

Edit to add: in trying to understand a bit better some of the factors why Israel hasn't assisted more, I learned a couple things.

1. Israel made an agreement with Pfizer to trade Israeli medical data in return for access. That could not include Palestinians not in Israel's medical system.

https://www.npr.org/2021/01/25/960465917/israel-secures-covi...

2. Hardliners in the Israeli government wanted to use vaccine access as a bargaining chip to secure release of hostages in the Gaza Strip. There's also politics on the P.A. side which wants to secure access to vaccine w/o relying on Israel.

https://apnews.com/article/israel-health-coronavirus-pandemi...


IMO any discussion of Israel's vaccination progress which doesn't mention the millions of people living under its military control, is ideological itself.

Israel is obliged to provide healthcare to those it occupies under the Geneva convention. The Oslo accords, don't supercede the Geneva convention. Israel may have delegated responsibilities such as healthcare to the PA, but as the occupying power, it is still legally on the hook to ensure people living under its military control get a certain level of healthcare.


It saddens me that this dispassionate statement of facts is getting downvotes.


it's not political. he's refuting the argument on the basis there are millions of people still not vaccinated. so it did not achieve immunity.


It includes Israeli arabs


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Can you provide a reference for this claim that Israel offered the vaccine and was rejected?

I have no claims one way or another, just trying to understand it from unbiased (or at least minimally biased) sources.


Here’s a very biased source even admitting that Israel offered the vaccine to PLO workers: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/israel-to-vaccinate-pal... thus totally negating your claim that it’s mostly Chinese.


I'm confused? I made no claim at all regarding the Chinese. The article that you've pointed to is a fairly low number relative to the Palestinian population, is it not?

I'm not saying that you are wrong, I just feel like I'm not getting a full understanding of the situation.


I was under the impression you were the one who I originally replied to, sorry for the confusion. Regardless I found that link after 4 seconds of googling, there’s a lot of FUD out there when you use all the necessary keywords and I’m not gonna spend it to get low level responses (from ppl who have zero understanding of the situation but criticize any ways), but if you’re interested it shouldn’t be too hard to find.

In answer to your question about population size, Nope. Not for the ones that Israel has any reasonable connection to...


> In answer to your question about population size, Nope. Not for the ones that Israel has any reasonable connection to...

That's a fair point about their ability to reach the others. I'm curious if they've attempted to offer vaccines and been rebuffed?

TBH, as someone really far from the situation (in the US), I find it really hard to tell what to believe and what not to.

This is the best article that I found on the subject: https://www.bbc.com/news/55800921




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