You appear to have a much more impoverished view of kids and their ability to learn than I do. My experience (not to mention my memory of how I was myself as a kid) is that kids grasp the fact that there can be more to a subject than adults are able to teach them at a particular time and place, so they're ok with adults honestly admitting that. But they do not like adults telling them categorical statements that later turn out to be wrong.
You’re view of children seems to be more based on your memory of high school. That’s a lot different than your behavior as a 6 year old when these simple primitives are being taught.
Little kids don’t care about nuance when they’re still having difficulties with carries in addition. Your ideal world where we first explain children that base10 isn’t the only way to represent numbers and whatever other caveats simply doesn’t exist.
They don’t have the knowledge required yet to even understand the scenarios when “exceptions to the rule” apply.
There's a difference between prefacing a course with "oh hey these are simplifications that you'll improve upon in higher grades" vs loading down literally every claim with that long chain of caveats.
> loading down literally every claim with that long chain of caveats.
I have never proposed doing the latter, so you are attacking a straw man. Once it's understood that you're teaching a simplified, approximate model, you don't have to repeat in every sentence that you're teaching a simplified, approximate model. You just have to not say it's "the Truth", without approximation and without qualification.
I'm relying on these examples you gave of how to do it:
>"multiplication is a separate operation on numbers, but it works like repeated addition for the counting numbers you're familiar with"
>"repeated addition is a simplified model of multiplication that works for whole numbers, but doesn't work well in more complicated cases that you'll learn about later"
If you disagree that that's "long" or would feel that way in having to do it in every sentence, we can have a great discussion about that, but it is not a strawman -- you seem to reject the idea of giving the one caveat at the beginning of the course, and instead want to make each sentence rigorous.
If you recognize that your complicated sentences are probably not ideal for teaching math to second graders, then I think we're in agreement.
I do. Some of the words might be changed, depending on what words have been used to describe the operation of addition and the set of counting numbers. But, as I think I've pointed out elsewhere in this thread, the very fact that the children know about addition and the counting numbers means they know what an operation is ("a thingie like addition") and what a set of numbers is ("a thingie like the counting numbers").
> you seem to reject the idea of giving the one caveat at the beginning of the course
I don't know where you're getting that from. I have already said the contrary--once you've said it, you don't need to repeat in every sentence.
