I don't understand when farmers say they "love their cattle" but then industriously kill them at 12% of their normal lifespan. And repeat. In millions.

The meat lobby really has a grip on the culture and identity of the animal consuming public.

Humans long ago changed the evolutionary trajectory of certain species. There are no wild horses for example, only feral.

Your argument starts from the premise that consuming meat or raising animals for slaughter is somehow wrong.

I'll continue enjoying my steak, thank you.

Your argument starts from the premise that just because you have a goal, method and precedent you can continue to justify industrialised cruelty.

> normal lifespan

How many animals actually grow old in the wild though, not getting eaten by a predator? At least humans have the decency to kill them first... I agree both the scale and the cruelty are important problems, but the ethical aspect isn't so clear-cut.

The vast majority of people don’t have neighbors who lovingly raise cattle for slaughter.

* the vast majority of people that choose to live in unpopulated coastal cities, I think you mean.

There's no love here, you're killing the animal. Don't delude yourself.

Quite the opposite. When I've raised poultry and other animals, gave them a great life, enjoyment, health, and a painless passing, and in return they gave me sustenance. In addition, you are in fact designed to consume a wide variety of foods including meat; you're the one that is delusional, not me. Go lecture a Hawk or Lion.

That which is natural is good. N is natural. Therefore, N is good or right.

Premise 1 is lacking.

To be fair, neither is red meat. Unclear which is worse, though.

Where are the studies that show grass fed red meat is bad for your health? All studies I've seen concluding red meat is a health concern are using grain finished beef.

There are studies e.g. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/sacn-iron-and-hea...

The vast majority of beef cattle in the UK are fed grass from pasture most of the year, then hay/silage over winter when there isn't much grass. The conclusion was the same; red meat isn't great for you, at least in significant quantities (90g+ a day).

That study doesn’t say what you think it says. Show me one single study that finds an actual link between red meat consumption and bad health outcomes... Not some epidemiological bullshit - a real study with real findings.

It's definitely bad for the health of the cow.

I agree. I once tried beyond meat by accident (some vegans were visiting and did a switcheroo on me) and it was one of the most repulsive things I had ever tasted.

Impossible burgers are way better. Can't stand beyond meat.