They should be imprisoned as well. The Earth does not belong to us, rather we belong to the Earth. The Earth is more important than we are, we should put the Earth's needs ahead of our own needs. We must stand up for the rights of the Earth, or else human rights will be impossible to maintain. Anyone sacrificing the Earth for profit is committing genocide as well as ecocide.
For that you need support from a large majority of the general populace, who unfortunately are just fine with the status quo (or the politicians would need to act differently to get reelected).
The majority of the world's populace is scared of climate change. There's more than enough of us to eliminate the rich if we work together. Countries are an outmoded and unsustainable concept that only serve to artificially empower the rich. Global Ecosocialism is the only way to avert climate catastrophe.
The way to eliminate the rich is for us to band together and strip them of their assets, then they will no longer be rich.
I updated my comment to clarify that eliminating the rich does not mean killing them. We must become a planet of equals, working together to be sustainable. Anyone working against sustainability should be thrown in prison. Technology will not save us, only drastically reducing our consumption and pollution will.
> Anyone working against sustainability should be thrown in prison.
Anyone working against the state, against the current of history, has forfeit his right to exist. This is justified by the beacon on the hill, which is communism ("a planet of equals"). Sounds familiar.
On some level I admire you because you're really just extending commonly held ideas to their logical conclusion. That's something most people don't have the guts to do. But the lesson here is that we absolutely cannot extend these "big ideas" as you've done. We have to exist in an indeterminate state and avoid totalizing our worldviews. In other words, you should find a way to advocate for measures to deal with climate change without sounding like a psychopath.
a psychopath would be calling for executions of these people, not simply stripping their assets and throwing them in prison.
We only have about 10-15 years until complete climate collapse. The time for advocating gentle measures was 50 years ago. Which was done, and ignored by the ruling classes.
Now we only have time for drastic measures: An end to countries, and end to capitalism. Global Ecosocialist cooperation of the working classes, taking the means of production by force and ensuring only sustainable processes are continued.
There is no evidence that socialism (the variety that actually exists in the real world and not in your head) is any more ecologically friendly than capitalism.
I think it's deeply sad that you haven't learned the lessons of the 20th century. "Gentle measures" are the only way to make progress, we can't sever our connection to the past, drastic measures of the kind you're proposing have always resulted in the vivisection of actual human communities based on a quasi-religious understanding of what's going to happen in the future.
The Earth does not belong to us, rather we belong to the Earth. The Earth is more important than we are, we should put the Earth's needs ahead of our own needs. We must stand up for the rights of the Earth, or else human rights will be impossible to maintain.
Ecosocialism has never been tried, and it is now long past time. Stalin and Mao certainly didn't even try. And even if human communities are vivisected, so what? The Earth is more important.
The Earth is very much my religion and I stand by Her.
that is in terms of the pandemic and masks. this is a different discussion with broader goals.
Calling me a troll is a personal attack designed to discredit me. I have very different ideas and motivations than you do, but I am a true believer, not a troll.
The purpose of my discussion is to educate and inspire a global Ecosocialist revolution. The purpose of my account in general is to have interesting discussions. I have some pretty extremist views and I'm quite vocal about them in some discussions, that doesn't make me a troll.
Now, do you have anything constructive to say or are you just going to continue personal attacks?
I think you're being called a troll because you're proposing incarceration as a solution, and that's a fundamentally antiscientific position. Inconsistency + agression usually passes the duck test for a troll.
I'm not a scientist and have never claimed to be one. Having antiscientific positions is not a problem for me because science is, in this country, primarily a tool of capitalists.
I'm a Earth-worshipping socialist, but not a Maoist. if I were a Maoist I'd be calling for executions of climate change deniers, but I don't believe in killing for any reason, so instead I am calling for imprisonment of those who seek to harm the Earth. these beliefs are internally consistent, though perhaps not what you expect.
