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Privacy policies are unenforceable because social lock-in means you can't leave even if you eventually decide the new policies are bad for you.

I don't want Facebook to get my list of contacts, but I also don't want to lose touch with my extended family. Guess which one is more important to me?



Belief that you depend on Facebook to stay in touch with your family is so misguided and sad.

No matter where you live in the world, you don’t need Facebook, not at all, not one bit. It requires absolutely zero extra effort to stay in touch to exactly the same degree, see all the photos, send all the messages you want, with dozens and hundreds of other global services that all your contacts, even tech-phobic grandma, already can super easily interact with.

I have never had a Facebook account, yet I still keep in touch with all the many contacts in my network from high school, college, past jobs, global extended family, immediate family, OSS project acquaintances, etc. etc. - all with zero Facebook.

This utterly false myth that Facebook is necessary, or even the slightest bit important or even useful, to keep in touch very closely with all the photos, comments, etc., really needs to die.

You can completely delete Facebook on a whim right now, and 100% of all that stuff is just as immediately, easily achievable right away with zero loss or deficiency from removing Facebook.


Whilst I agree with the sentiment, I disagree with the message.

If I don't message my sister via Facebook she won't see it. She doesn't do email for private stuff and she's not going to install another app.

If I don't message my mother via WhatsApp she's not going to get it. She doesn't understand what the fuss is and WhatsApp is already complicated for her.

I'd love to be able to message people with zero extra effort but the fact is it's a non-zero amount between us and in the end I'm the one who has to go the extra yard.

I know this because I've not had a FB account in over 7 years now. Facebook's not necessary but it sure as hell is easier.


This is just a lie Facebook wants you to feel. Your sister and mom care about you, they will easily prioritize their family member over specific apps.


How exactly do you think Facebook are telling me this lie?

You realize that I am speaking from experience not hypothetically; I don't have Facebook and there's been a marked decrease in both the number and frequency of messages from my family who rely on it.

I really wish this wasn't the case. The vendor lock-in with Facebook is really significant and I think those of us who leave the platform have to acknowledge that.


The sad part is that people tell this lie to themselves and resolve not to put forth any attempt to stay in touch, just accept “falloff” by others as evidence of Facebook lock-in. Facebook doesn’t even have to tell us this lie and use propaganda to convince us - we tell ourselves the lie!

Speaking as someone who never had Facebook, I’ve experienced zero loss of connection with anyone in many networks of family, friends, colleagues, etc. Just a simple email thread to share stories and photos here or there, phone calls, SMS text chats or other apps. It’s so easy and seamless to stay in touch with no part of it involving Facebook.


I really feel comments like these come from people who haven't successfully actually quit Facebook. There's a real heavy cost to not being on Facebook and most people don't feel the dependency because they've convinced themselves they can quit at any time.


No, there is not a heavy cost. It’s just a perception and myth to keep more people reliant on Facebook.


I deleted WhatsApp and moved to Signal and many contacts followed. Not all, but most. If the momentum continues, then the rest will follow.

Viral growth and shrinkage means this is one case where being the change you want to see can have immediate effect.

If you can, try it. If it doesn't work, you can always go back to WhatsApp in a few months.


A lot of people have had success moving their friends to signal, and that I think that is very encouraging. Well done to you, and certainly I'm trying to do my part as well.


This one I never quite understood. I could bet five bucks all of your extended family on facebook has email addresses.

Facebook seems indispensable in finding the people you're after, but maintaining contact doesn't seem to require it.

Or is it their updates posted to the entire world that you're after?


Of course you can still contact them, but it will be harder and people will include you less in their conversations.

Whatsapp does a lot more than what regular sms does, including working video calls across platforms, working multi-person chats with file attachments, etc. Don’t say e-mail does this, it doesn’t, as you will need more than a phone number that you already have.

Here everybody asumes that you have it, if you don’t, you’re on your own. As an example, my communication with my car insurance company over an incident I’ve recently had is happening over Whatsapp.




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