Hacker News new | past | comments | ask | show | jobs | submit login

The end goal is cessation of real and specific incitements to violence against people and property, and planning thereof.

Much as you like to spin it, if there weren't notable, repeated documented cases of idiots on Parler coordinating protests and outright violence, then no-one would really give a shit.

Making this out to be "the left wants to remove our ability to speak whatsoever" is not a "narrative shift", it's your conjecture.




It's not conjecture (it's abductive reasoning) and it's not about left vs right. It's about the precedent being set.

Once that precedent is set, people who once felt they were "on the right side of history" will equally be silenced for whatever reason the mob wants and then wonder "what happened?" This has played out before in history. The only difference is now we have smartphones.

A quote I just saw that encapsulates this well:

“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be "cured" against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.” - C.S. Lewis


> The end goal is cessation of real and specific incitements to violence against people and property, and planning thereof.

So are we just pretending that March-September 2020 didn't happen in dozens of major cities across the US.


On what forums were specific plans discussed in public?


It didn't need to be. It was justified and encouraged and enabled by nearly every major corporation, media company, and high-ranking official.

https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1347302588434284544


Me:

> The end goal is cessation of real and specific incitements to violence against people and property

You:

> So are we just pretending that March-September 2020 didn't happen in dozens of major cities across the US.

Apparently you are confused between "empathy" and "incitement".

That "supercut" didn't have anyone inciting violent behavior. No-one saying "Go out, damage and destroy property. Hurt people". It didn't have anyone saying "this is a good thing".

You have people saying "I can understand why this is happening", "I get why people are driven to it".

That's empathy. Not encouragement.


I'm not confused at all. I'm a very empathetic person and care a lot about people, it's one of the many reasons I speak up when I see things like this happening.

I was also raised by a convert narcissist and have experienced (and fortunately, overcome) the exact behavior being used to manipulate the population. It was used to manipulate me in the exact same way.

Deny reality all you want but none of what's happening right now is good.




Consider applying for YC's Fall 2025 batch! Applications are open till Aug 4

Guidelines | FAQ | Lists | API | Security | Legal | Apply to YC | Contact

Search: