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Is that new, I got a new iPhone in July and it came with a charger?


Yes, as of the iPhone 12 range. Here’s a report from October: https://www.macrumors.com/2020/10/13/iphone-12-ships-without...


It’s the 12 that doesn’t. The logic being that everyone already has a draw full of chargers and cables so it makes sense to remove the brick from the packaging which slims it down and reduces waste.


Except that they changed the cable for the iPhone 12, so none of your existing chargers work.


But you can use your existing charging cable.

But apples cables are notorious for breaking easily.

But I have been using the same cable since X years and it's working fine.


My old Qi charger works just fine


Which is rather humorous, because if I buy a $1500 phone, I want and expect a big ass box with fancy ass packaging, and I expect a charger, and frankly I expect high-end earbuds.

Goddamn, this is why I really fucking hate Apple so much. Its why I fucking hate the fact that I picked up a base model Mac Mini. I can't argue its better for many use cases and that I switch between it and my 3900X workstation throughout the day for various workloads, but fucking Christ in Heaven it pisses me off that I have to, to begin with.

I fucking hate giving that shit company even a dollar.


Couldn't they just make it optional?

When buying the iPhone 12 one could chose to get the charger ( free ).


Why should it be free?


Because it is necessary for a functioning device. Because they made changes to their charger during that generation for improved performance. "Free" is a loaded term in this context. It should be included in the purchase.


You can’t use a paintbrush without paint but they still sell them separately.

If you need one, buy one.

I don’t see any practical, technical, ethical reason to include one. I see environmental and simplicity reasons to not include one.


I can see simplicity reasons to sell the user guide and box separately, too. Why not just hand them $1k in cash and get an unboxed phone? Much simpler than packaging and credit cards.

The means by which people will bend over backwards to paint Apple in a good light is insane.


This attitude leads to mountains of e-waste. No thanks.

But yeah drop the user guide too and put it on a website, good idea. The box, not that because it protects the product leading to less wastage.


It is trivial to reduce the environmental impact by changing the type of packaging materials and shipping multiple phones in one carton, while protecting each phone individually. Apple chooses not to do this since it doesn't fit their marketing strategy.

As for those missing chargers, they probably have multiple reasons for not including them. The environmental impact may even play a small role. Ultimately though, the main reasons are going to be business driven (e.g. reduced manufacturing costs and perhaps increased sales of chargers). If these people were truly interested in protecting the environment, they wouldn't be in the business of selling disposable consumer goods.


I don’t know what to say apart from this is cynical.

If people are going to buy consumer goods anyone trying to make it a bit better should be celebrated.


Dont forget the 12 is first iPhone supporting fast charging, which none of the previous iPhone chargers supports. So if you want to utilize its full potential, you need to spend bucks.


Wait, that's absolutely not true. IPhone 8[0] was the first one that supported fast charging, and it didn't come with a compatible charger in the box. You had to use an 18W USB-C charger and a USB-C to lighting cable, neither of which were in the box. But the phone supported it. So the same argument was true for years and yet people behave as if it's new.

[0] https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT208137#:~:text=You%20can%2...


> Dont forget the 12 is first iPhone supporting fast charging

This is beyond false and way into absolute nonsense.

Been there since iPhone 8.

https://www.ipitaka.com/blogs/news/everything-you-need-to-kn...


So if you have an iPhone 9, 10, or 11 charger that came with the phone, you can utilize fast charging for the 12?


Yes the same fast charging still works. It’s the same protocol and connector.


WTF MAN do you always spout lies so confidently xD




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