No, I really do think people in the US are massively entitled. I've lived in 3rd world countries and the standard of living even for a minimum wage worker is so beyond that of a poor person in a third world country (like Tanzania or Kenya, for example). People in the US are lucky, and yet, all everyone does is complain and bitch all the time. I think most Americans lack perspective and are ungrateful for what they have.

Porque no los dos? (in keeping with the discussion about latinos above)

I posit that both are true: 1) US workers have shitty protections 2) Americans are ungrateful, lack perspective and are entitled. They don't understand when a pack of immigrants from wherever smuggle themselves in a container or coyote or what-have-you, and live for years together 10 people to an apartment to save up a little money to send home.

So we should be thankful to the 1 percent of the 1 percent for sharing bread crumbs from the proverbial money pie in this society? Genuinely dislike this sort of mindset. I’m a Kenyan who grew up and lives in the US as my parents immigrated here almost 25 years ago. Normal people work just as hard as Mr Musk if not harder — my immigrants parents worked near to death to provide for me and taught me the value of education and hard work. Normal people aren’t asking for handouts. Kenya has its good and bad but the US is an incredibly wealthy country. We can do a lot better.

Let me rephrase your comment. It says the exact same thing you do: >"You have it better than poor people in third world countries, stop complaining about worker abuses you below the poverty line minimum wage people, you should be grateful. Yes since 1970 you're wealth has stagnated or decreased and the top earners have massively increased their share of the pie, but you should be grateful.!!"

I don't think he's saying that they should stop complaining.

He's saying they don't realize what they have, they are not thankful for anything and they keep dramatizing over everything.

I actually stopped reading after the statement "[minimum wage] Americans are ungrateful, lack perspective and are entitled". Because a statement like that is kinda toxic and doesn't help anyone but the top 1% who've hoarded all the gains over the last few decades. Reading the rest now, I'm actually even more displeased at the poster's take. While it's very true some minimum wage earning americans are not understanding or hostile to immigration, this person seems to be wanting to stir trouble among groups of people who have the least in america. Immigrants and minimum wage workers both get the short end of the stick.

Telling a minimum wage worker who likely can't afford rent and are probably below the poverty line, they should be grateful because there's "starving children in africa" sounds patronizing, entitled, lacking empathy, and does no help anyone. It does not help the minimum wage worker or people in the other countries.

In America, the top one percent holds over $25 trillion in wealth, exceeding the wealth of the bottom 80 percent. That other people have it worse than the bottom of the 80 percent is only to distract from that bigger issue.

"All they do is complain and bitch".

Certainly _implies_ that they shouldn't be, in his opinion.

Well, they shouldn't be. You don't just complain and bitch. You won't solve anything like that. And I'm not talking about Americans here, that applies to everybody.

Tantrums are OK when you're a kid, once you grow up you're expected to do better.

We're debating on a public forum, how's that a tantrum?

So your solution is we should move the US BACKWARDS instead of finding ways to bring EVERYONE forward? People in the US bitch for good reason - the income gap has increased exponentially. Wages have stagnated. Just because people in the US have it "better than the third world" doesn't mean the wealth collection at the very top is in any way justified or sustainable.

Elon treats humans like cogs in his money machine.

before trump we used to do this thing called try to cajole other countries into having labor laws. something the TPP would have helped with, for example. MAGA amirite?

> MAGA amirite?

No, you're not. When was TPP going to involve China, or the UAA? In fact, TPP could just as well be used to avoid other types of punitive tariff. foei also opposed TPP [0], does that mean they are oppose labour-law improvements too?

And why are you so confident TPP would help with labour laws anyway? What said, and what's done across international borders often differs a lot. Blaming Trump as if something was lost is pretending there where ever guarantees of success.

Claiming some complex legislation would "have helped with" poor foreign labour laws while actively benefitting them anyway is pretty weak.

[0] https://www.foei.org/features/tpp-bad-deal-for-people-and-pl...