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		mattmanser on Oct 21, 2020 \| parent \| context \| favorite \| on: What ORMs Have Taught Me: Just Learn SQL (2014) Just to be explicitly clear to newer programmers. This is an extremely niche view, ORMs save you a huge amount of time, and the days before ORMs were a real pain in the arse. As a noob you are much more likely to introduce a massive security hole by rolling your own solution. Don't do it! So this article is sorta true, and you should learn SQL, but for trivial queries ORMs are actually a massive time saver and really useful in maintaining a system, especially in strongly typed languages (Java/C#/etc.).

commandlinefan on Oct 21, 2020 [–]

The article outlines four of the (many) places where ORMs actually cost you time rather than save it.

mattmanser on Oct 21, 2020 | [–]

None of which are completely true. There's a good reason ORMs are so ubiquitous.

Look at his description of the things he was making.

You do not use ORMs for anything but the most basic reports.

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