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RRO is used for the US Congress. That may be why it was developed.

It is far from perfect, but I feel it works.

I have been in many RRO meetings, and a few "CBDM" meetings.

I worked for a Japanese corporation for a long time, and saw their consensus system, which was painful, but worked. It was completely different from the "CBDM" meetings I've attended.

I once wrote up a very complete presentation and paper on real CBDM, but no one was ever interested in learning about it.

In my experience, most CBDM meetings aren't actually designed for "consensus." They are designed to let "the people that matter" accelerate the process of getting what they want.




I have been to many meetings based on similar principals and am the Chair of standing orders for a large UK Union

RRO based off us/common practice but Congress, Senate and the House of Commons do a lot a "naughty shit" that are outside RRO / Citrine.

Amending a motion with non related things should really be ruled out of order.

The "naughty shit" is a direct quote from a former whip.


I was corrected, that the US Congress uses something that is not exactly the same.

Might be similar for UK Parliament.

But you guys have the most downright entertaining government in the world.


Erskine and May a hard copy of which costs £400

It is online at https://erskinemay.parliament.uk/

But the executive has far to much power in the UK in my opinion - you can see why thye went after John Bercow as he was pushing back.


I'll miss him. He was a great Speaker.


RRO is used for the US Congress. That may be why it was developed.

The US House of Representatives uses a set of rules based on Jefferson's Manual. Bill flow is a bit different than Roberts Rules of Order, but the concepts are very similar.


Thanks. I stand corrected. I just assumed (ASS out of U and ME), because I see them use the same language. I think there’s something in the intro to RRO about it, as well.

Been awhile since I read it. It’s not light reading.

Also, most folks use modern versions (copyrighted, so not open-sourced) of RRO.


How does the IETF's process compare? They famously run on "rough consensus."


Link to your CBDM stuff?


I can send you a DropBox link, but I won't publish it here. Send me an email (See my HN profile).

It's pretty damn complete. It's actually a multi-hour class.


Well... that was fun. Downright nerdy as heck. Seems like folks leveraged most of my contact options.

If I missed anyone, let me know.




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