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I think the problem is you have liberals but not actual conservatives. The conservatives we currently have, care more about gay marriage than keeping the government small and having a balanced budget.



An overgeneralization, of course. It's just that those are the ones you hear most about in the media. One could speculate that left-wing media sources are more comfortable portraying the crazy conservatives than the sensible ones (just as Fox News is more comfortable portraying the crazy leftists than the sensible ones).


So, just to be clear: you're saying that anyone who cares more about gay marriage than the government's budget is crazy?


You have to understand where we're coming from on this. The present-day law on gay marriage was changed due to the wording of the original law, written in a time when gay marriage wasn't even being considered, which happened to say something like "two persons" rather than "a man and a woman".

The Republic will not fall because Adam marries Steve. What consenting adults get up to on private property is no-one's business but their own, certainly not the Governments. But it is under threat when law is made through legal chicanery rather than the democratic process. That is why Conservatives are up in arms about gay marriage.


Do you have any data to support that claim? The conservatives I know oppose gay marriage because they consider it immoral, not because of some abstract stuff about the democratic process.


Well, my "data" is the same as yours, people I know (including myself).


I don't think I'm willing to be trapped into an "anyone who thinks X is crazy" kind of statement.


Ok, but the point is, if you're willing to call people "crazy" because of their political opinions, I doubt that you're as committed to intellectual diversity as you claim to be.


The problem is that people who call themselves "moderates" and people who call themselves "liberals" tend to have the exact same positions, and people don't realize that.


what's even worse is people thinking current liberalism and conservatism represents the full range of political thought. the democratic-republicans used to be one party, and this party would have strongly opposed the direction of current politics. In Essence, both modern parties have turned into what used to be called federalists.




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