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Show HN: Introvert – Generative artwork to keep you off your phone (iamintrovert.co)
312 points by ilyayudanov on March 27, 2020 | hide | past | favorite | 90 comments


Hey! Thank you for your interest and comments!

Just a bit of background thinking.

The app named Introvert is a generative artwork aimed to help you stay off your phone. Right now we´re being asked to lead a sedentary life (for the sake of others and our own wellbeing). Only the mind is allowed to wonder.

I wish Introvert can help us lead a focused everyday where mindful practise will direct us to make the most of these strange days a head.

It’s rather experiment/art project then productivity app:)

Introvert is free and open source.

Please have a try, I would love to hear any feedback!


I don't think I understand the use of the word "Introvert." That, to me, has nothing at all to do with focus or attention or lack thereof? I suppose there could be a suggestion of introspection, but that also has nothing to do necessarily with introversion other than the same prefix.


Great app, I love the ethos.

It would work wonderfully on Apple Watch to show the art being drawn, it's even the correct aspect ratio.


I agree, this would look amazing on the watch.


We already working on it!


Hey thanks for this app, It's beautiful!

I noticed an interesting bug however. On my device (iPhone 8), when you swipe up from the bottom while the timer is running (to select things like flash light), and then close it by swiping down, the timer automatically goes to 0 and the interval is marked complete.


I have a question - how did you get started with generative art?


Love this idea, and the images generated are great ... how to save them, tho? I click a finished image and press the down arrow, but nothing happens...


I tried it. I like it but being 40+ I find the art it generates at the edge of too small for my eyes. Love the audio thought.


Great idea! Love the idea of creating apps that promote concentration rather than diminish it.


I don't get what introvert has to do with focus.

Besides that, if you really need to stay off your phone, consider a "distraction free" phone as outlined in the book Make Time by Jake Knapp. Its a solid book but you can also glean that part of it from his blog:

https://medium.com/make-time/six-years-with-a-distraction-fr...

His version might be extreme for some. At the very least disable all notifications (save maybe texts from your SO/children) and delete social media apps.


I've switched to a "dumb phone" over 2 years ago and I have no plans of turning back. I've recently published a piece about it https://pawelurbanek.com/mobile-internet-addiction-focus


As I paged-down to start reading, I got four words in ("Mindlessly checking social networks") before four social network badges animated in from the left. Seems a little ironic.

Regardless, it was a good read. Your idea about dumbphone+SIM-less smartphone is something I've not heard before and might try.


Yeah I should hide social bar on this one not to be hippocratic :)


hypocritical is the word you're looking for.


I was first using a dumb phone but soon realized that I need at least a maps application when I am abroad in a foreign city. Not being able to search for addresses on the go is also very unhandy if you don't wanna visit police stations around the world.

For my current Android I decided to get an upstream open source one (one out of four, to be exact, because there are not many blob free ones). Switched to OmniROM head builds without any google integrations, which kinda has the same effect as a dumb phone.

You would not believe what runs through gapps. Searching a bus? Nope, requires google. Take a note? Nope, requires google. Edit a markdown file? Nope, requires google.

f-droid and its analysis of apk files is a godsend.

My phone stays silent, with ublock0 in Firefox, and never shows a notification if I don't want it to. Use contact stars for allowance of emergency calls in DND mode.

I love it when I realize I haven't eaten at 21:00 because I could keep up the focus so much.


the absence of a digital map/route planner also has advantages in that it removes the "sterile tourist bubble" and forces one to interact with the local people.


Why not leave home without your wallet, too, for that extra dose of third-world verisimilitude?


Snark aside, you realize that there's a middle ground, and that not every travel destination is 3rd world right?


Android user here. The addition of "Focus Mode" has completely changed my approach to my device and, by extension, my life. Various personal relationships have been noticably improved for the better as I can concentrate on them better.

I block all of the classic social notifications/apps, and I keep it on 24/7 apart from times I deliberately go out of my way to consciously press "Take a Break" for 5/10 minutes. The deliberate friction here is, of course, a welcome feature.


> I don't get what introvert has to do with focus.

A common object of attention for Samatha (one-pointed concentration / tranquility) practice is a Mandala or Kasina.

The copy on the site and the mandala-like art the app generates leads me to believe the author hopes people can use the app for this (or a non-Buddhist equivalent concentration practice).

I just did a 10 minute session. It's excellent for this purpose!


Just read the book "Beyond Mindfulness in Plain English" and he mentions the practice of Kasina. This app definitely made me think of that chapter.

I think there's a lot to be explored in how technology can work with mindfulness & concentration practices.


But what does that have to do with introversion? Extroverts can focus or make mandalas.


Its likely unrelated to the behavior and more about focusing on yourself. which is technically the definition of the word

We're just too used to the psychological definition


Thank you for your comment, I’ll use this explanation myself. Many people asking about it, I didn’t mean psychological definition.

I Just really hope it doesn’t sound offensive.


> I don't get what introvert has to do with focus.

I interpreted 'introvert' as a verb, even though the domain name suggests otherwise. As a verb it means to turn inward or to direct something (attention) within the self.


I got touched by:

> The app is free.

> No in-app purchases.

> No advertising.

> We do not collect your data.

> Use the code in any way.


Oooh! I have long wanted something like this, something both compelling and soothing. When I've been doing something intense, it's hard for me to shift my mind into a lower gear; I often find myself back on Twitter or rummaging through the news. This seems like a great alternative.

Edit: Oh no! IOS only!



I would use some binky.ycombinator.com, put me on the waitlist for THAT.


That could be a good way to learn new foreign language words.


The source says it compiles for Android. https://github.com/IamIntrovert/Introvert


Hi! Thank you for your interest. We will release android version soon:)


I’ll added waiting list to the bottom of the webpage. Since it’s react native we probably can figure out android version quite fast.


Thanks! I've put myself on it. In the meantime, I dug an iPhone 6 out of my test device box to try it out. It's wonderful! Exactly the bridge I want between busy-busy and sitting to meditate. 5 stars, and I wrote you a review!


Check out Forest!

https://www.forestapp.cc/


I use Forest (https://www.forestapp.cc/) which does something similar: plants virtual trees (you can pay to plant real ones too) for every time interval when you stayed focused.

I will also try this one when the Android version appears. The generative artwork makes it very compelling.


> plants virtual trees (you can pay to plant real ones too) for every time interval when you stayed focused.

One of my many pet-projects-I'll-never-implement is creating one of these addicting Facebook-driven social games like Farmville (I have no idea what it's modern equivalent is) and instead of distributing profit from ad revenue / in-app purchases, donate all of it to an NGO that does IRL whatever people are doing online. So if planting an in-game tree generates $0.02 in profit from ad revenue / in-app purchases (after operating expenses, taxes, capex, etc) and planting a tree in real life costs $20, the NGO would plant one real tree after users plant 1,000 online trees

I think it's a killer idea for a socially-conscious app and I think users would feel incentivized to play this over any of the stupid casual online games with no positive real-life implications.


> I think users would feel incentivized to play this over any of the stupid casual online games with no positive real-life implications

With all due respect, I think this is wrong. People play games that are fun, regardless of real-life implications. If you can make a fun game that is socially-conscious, more power to you. But socially-conscious by itself does not make a killer game.


Right, I'm starting from the assumption that it would be as much fun as Farmville


Cool program. Thanks creating and open sourcing (MIT), @ilyayudanov!

Built with React Native. Source here: https://github.com/IamIntrovert/Introvert


Just curious, why is this named “Introvert”? Is it that this app is thought to be more appealing to introverts?


I took it as instead of texting, or checking social media, you're alone with your own thoughts.

For people who want something to do with their phone when they're bored, but hate social stuff.


I read it as a noun rather than a verb but you're making me think it was intended as a verb


Step 1: minimize or remove social media from phone. Only keep messenger apps.

Step 2: remove all apps and games that require you to use it daily for some sort of reward.

Step 3: eliminate any or all notifications save for messages, email, phone, or automated alerts for particular things (like slickdeals or stocks).

Step 4: treat your phone as a tool, not an entertainment machine.


on the contrary, i treat my phone as an entertainment device so that my computer isn't used for that. i used to read hackernews on the computer, but i found that if i read it on the phone instead, i don't get distracted when i am working on the computer. i can put the phone and all distractions in it away more easily than i can put the computer away.


I try to do it, but then I end up using websites, log out, then log in after some time and get hooked on again... I used to have a blocker app acting as a pseudo VPN on iOS but I just turned it off constantly.


I treat it exactly like I treat online purchases. No auto logins, I MUST enter my credit card (or use paypal, which requires 2FA everytime, no remembering), and I always log out of everything.

It makes making a purchase a hassle just like it makes checking up on social media a hassle. I intentionally put barriers up to manipulate my own behavior I know well enough. Yes it's annoying, but I've made a habit of it for so long it's a nuisance that is the "Right" way to do it.


I don't think setting up a timer on the very device that is distracting you will significantly help you stay away from it, especially on psychological terms. I reckon it will make you dependent on your phone as well, but in a different sense.

In my opinion, the development of deeply-rooted discipline and self-control must primarily--even exclusively--come from one's will, at all times and at all levels, in order to be successful. Otherwise, what are you going to do if you cannot access the app for whatever reason? We need to aspire to have a firm will, not a straightened one (by whomever or whatever external).


Was Odysseus a fool for tying himself to a mast to avoid the temptation of the sirens?

An underrated element of self-control is designing your environment to achieve the outcomes you want.


I mean, if it was the mast tempting him, it might have been ill-advised...


You do realize that you're comparing the literally insurmountable chant of a fictional, fantastic entity to something that can be overcome, right? I know it's an analogy, but I don't think it can possibly apply here.

Of course adding friction to bad habits is generally going to make it harder for you to indulge in them, the same way that removing friction can make it easier to engage in healthy habits. Nonetheless, the primary element of self-control must always come from oneself, in the moment. I know, since I've gone out of my way to remove many "blocking" systems too many times.


You're right, it's not a perfect analogy. Odysseus had a simple, binary action he could take to avoid the sirens altogether, and that action did not otherwise hinder his journey. You can't say the same about the social & leisure parts of the internet (social media, Netflix, MMOs, etc...). One example: Screen Time on iOS does not completely block the specified websites and apps. It politely suggests that you stop wasting your time. Odysseus had it easy.

One can replace their smartphone with a basic flip phone, but that would forsake all the good uses of the smartphone. This is where we get into the nature of free will. How much free will does the average person really have in the face of these addicting platforms? They're all designed specifically to preempt your self-control. Moreover, because they drove so many people to abandon their self-control, they normalized binging. It is part of our cultural fabric. The sirens aren't alien mermaids, they're our friends.

People need the freedom to say No. No, I don't need any more than 30 minutes of social media a day. No, I don't ever want to watch more than 1 episode per day during the workweek on Netflix. Etc... These commitments need to be binding, and the marginal cost of dropping them should be higher than the marginal benefit in all but the most legitimate scenarios. You're free to say "no" now, but it's an empty commitment without technological controls that do not currently exist.

My final thought relates to the availability bias. Leisure is more available than ever. Almost anything you want is a tap away. In contrast, productivity goals are notoriously unavailable. Sure, you can break your work into tiny steps, but those steps become increasingly abstract and divorced from the end result, which may nonetheless be 6 months away. You'll also consistently underestimate the damage, length, and frequency of "one more break" and overestimate your ability to reach that goal in 6 months at your current pace (overconfidence effect). We have a lot to gain from making leisure less attainable and productivity more tangible.


I think what it means is not 'away from phone' but 'away from social media distractions'. Hence the name. But yeah, you shouldn't need an app to take you away from other apps. You could just turn off those apps.


I disagree - often adding a barrier to entry can help a lot. For example, I've found Forest app [1] to be successful at stopping me from using my phone as a time waster when I start to seek a distraction.

[1] https://www.forestapp.cc/


You've posted twice on this thread, and both comments contained that link. That's getting very close to spamming.


That's my argument against two - factor authentication, which is spreading like herpes across workplaces. I like having my phone off and far from me during work hours, but 2FA made it impossible.


The security gains of multi-factor authentication are significant. They are so large that choosing to forego them might at this point in time be deemed negligence. That said, you're absolutely correct that it's wildly unreasonable that so many of them require you to make use of your personal phone - which you are wisely and responsibly trying to ignore

Fortunately, there are a lot of good ways to do 2FA that don't rely on your personal phone! A second device, physical RSA tokens, and U2F keys are all viable options that let you both be responsible by ignoring your phone and be safer. Some password managers will also do your TOTP code generation.


That's why I started using a second phone just for the Google Authenticator App at the workplace. If your authentication does not rely on SMS, you don't even need a SIM card.


Could you run an emulator that uses an authenticator app? Or you could get a physical authenticator fob perhaps.


An imperfect solution for you might be a cheap device that you only use for 2FA.


I feel like this argument is equivalent to discouraging someone from training for a marathon on a treadmill.


To me the argument is the equivalent of trying to stop eating fast food by asking a friend to come over everyday with fast food.


the problem isn't the fast-food, but the health of the fast food. proper comparison would be trying to stop eating fast food by only having healthy food around the house.


My interpretation of grandparent is that the app is probably another distraction in itself. So, I'm not sure what the healthy food in your analogy is. I guess I failed to provide a clear analogy for grandparent (assuming I interpreted them right).


This looks like a lovely way to replace a pomodoro timer and similar.

I assume there are no plans for an Android version?


I purchased a Kitchen Safe for $50 and lock my phone up 14-15 hours a day. In an emergency, I can smash the safe for $50 and get my phone out. Works wonders for productivity.


I investigated where the generation if images where created. Took me some time but it comes from a forked repo from long ago. :)

Here is the code: https://github.com/Elf2707/react-native-image-processor/blob...


This looks nice. I’d prefer that the app clearly states upfront that the numbers are in minutes, instead of someone having to guess what it is. It’d also be nice to start at one minute and have one minute increments for the first 10 minutes. Sometimes one just needs a short break. The current minimum length of 10 minutes seems too long for that.


A little more padding for the top buttons to distance them from the notification bar a little would be great!


Thank you for pointing it out. Missed it while testing on my old iPhone 8. Will definitely fix it in a new release!


Love it, please do an android version!


Thanks! We’ll figure out android soon.


Do you have something like a mailing list for when it is ready?


Just added form to the bottom of the website. Thanks for pointing out.


Sorry if this is a naïve question. Once you have the timer running, are you supposed to keep focus on the art getting generated or you can focus on the work you are doing? (Say reading, in that sense you are focused on the reading and not touching your phone).


Nice! Looking forward to the android version.

Small nitpick: change "an unique" to "a unique".


I found a glitch/bug: you can accidentally go back to the launch screen (with no way to go forward other than force-closing the app) if you swipe near from the edge right below or above the number scroller/selector.


Hey, If you are the author, the design details are not visible in the video (I am on my mac), I mean the details aren't visible. Maybe edit the video to zoom on the design when it starts generating for a few seconds?


Hey, thank you, for letting me know! We’ll look into it.


In a similar vein, a friend of mine released a really simple finger labyrinth app awhile back:

https://www.labyrinthjourney.app/


I have found that all these distraction elimination apps are ultimately useless once their novelty wears off.

The only truly lasting way I found to stay off my phone is to wear an Apple Watch and leave my phone at home.


"Attention, the ability to pay it and where it is directed, is the most valuable tool..."

Oh snap, the MOST valuable tool. Shit. ADD is really holding me back.


I like your thing.

I posted it to http://reddit.com/r/generative

Are you familiar?


It's like you are co-opting reality here. An alternative to the phone-dream presented within that very dream.


Interesting use of generative technologies


hmmm....subliminal mind control


is there an android version?


Love it!


Cute!




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