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There is no medical benefit to circumcision. There is risk of harm.

Parents do make medical choices -- these would be situations where there is a benefit to treatment and where there is medical consensus that the treatment is worthwhile.

That's not the case for circumcision where most doctors agree it shouldn't be performed other than for actual medical reasons like phimosis.



> There is no medical benefit to circumcision.

The WHO states, “There is compelling evidence that male circumcision reduces the risk of heterosexually acquired HIV infection in men by approximately 60%.”


"...among heterosexual men in sub-Saharan Africa [..] The effectiveness of using circumcision to prevent HIV in the developed world is unclear;"


That’s a quote from Wikipedia where the footnote references an abstract which does not include that statement.

Here’s what the abstract does say;

> Following the three randomized trials in Africa demonstrating the protective effects of male circumcision on HIV infection, studies have reported other benefits of circumcision including protection from certain STIs, including human papillomavirus and herpes simplex virus 2. With data accumulating on the public health benefits of circumcision and the endorsement of circumcision from WHO, investigators have begun to evaluate the feasibility, safety and cost of implementation of large-scale circumcision programs. Limitations of circumcision have also been explored.


Circumcision does nothing to protect against herpes, hepatitis, chancroid, HPV, Chlamydia, gonorrhea, syphilis etc.

So the child is being exposed to risk of death or disfigurement for a hypothetical benefit for one STI where there are existing better protections for that, and other STIs.


I’ll take the moving goalposts as a positive sign.

Here’s another one that appears after a quick Google search;

Male Circumcision Reduces Risk of Genital Herpes and HPV Infection, but Not Syphilis

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/male-circumcis...

When you google for circumcision risk of death, on the one hand is CIRP claiming over 100 infant boys die each year from complications arising from circumcision, and in the other hand the CDC saying they looked at every single infant death in 2010 and could not find a single one related to circumcision.

So I’ll be done with this topic for the day!


It references an article, not just an abstract. The conclusion of said article reads:

The broader application of this procedure to other areas of the world with different population, infrastructure and disease characteristics warrants further investigation.


How the fuck is that relevant to pre-pubescent children?


Well, it turns out the protective benefits are rather durable after the procedure is performed.

Similar to the HPV vaccine which is given to 9 year olds, presumably long before they have started having sex.

I’m really not interested in ideological battle here.


If the benefit exists, which is doubtful, it only exists for one STI and has no protective effect for the rest.

> I’m really not interested in ideological battle here.

You're defending zero-benefit mutilation of children, in the face of overwhelming medical advice. It's hard to see that as anything other than ideological.


I think we already agreed there’s not “zero benefit” so I fear this is no longer a productive discussion.




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