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America has enormous debts but it still spends as much money on defence as all the rest of the world put together.

And if that makes you uncomfortable, it is worth remembering that wherever you are, there is a good chance that if your country is ever invaded, your leader's first phone call will be to the White House in Washington.

My first immediate thought was the remote chance of my country being invaded. This led almost instantly to the uncharitable thought that if I found myself in another random country, the odds are good (historically and looking to the future) that it would be the US doing the invading. Amusingly the last sentence of the quote still makes sense in this scenario.



Let's break this down a little:

If you are a U.S. ally, you are unlikely to be invaded by the U.S. (kinda goes without saying, and you can insert pretty much any country you like in place of U.S. and the sentence remains true).

If you are a U.S. ally, what are your odds of being invaded by someone other than the U.S.? Very low. Why? For the same reason that your leader would call the U.S. if you were invaded. What if you're not in a formal alliance with the U.S.? Odds are still pretty good that any potential aggressor will, before planning an attack, ask himself, "Will the U.S. intervene if I invade my neighbor?" If the answer is "yes," he probably won't invade. Keep in mind that the U.S. has fought wars because someone figured, incorrectly, that the answer was "no."

OK, what if you're not at all friendly with the U.S.? In this case, there are a lot of other factors that come into play. Are you a peer power? If not, have you aligned yourself with such a power? If so, how much are you worth to them? How about nukes, do you have nukes? If not, can you fake it credibly? Are you generally belligerent and aggressive, or do you mostly mind your own business? Keep in mind, these questions aren't just factors in determining your chances of being invaded by the U.S., they are factors in determining your chances of being invaded by anyone at all.

Summary: if your chances of being invaded are very low, it's most likely because of the existence of the U.S. military. If that's not the reason, it's because you have a comparable military, or have aligned yourself with somebody who does. If you're not on good terms with the U.S. you're in a more precarious position not just because the U.S. might invade you, but also because everyone else knows that the U.S. won't intervene on your behalf. If you have nukes, only crazy people will invade you, unless you act so crazy that the sane countries decide that it's worth the risk to try and take them away, since you'll probably use them sooner or later anyway.


And then there is Georgia, which is reading your post and going 'lolwut?'


Actually, Georgia fits right in:

They are on good terms with us, but not formal allies, which leads to: The Russians assessed, correctly, that we would not intervene (militarily, at least) on the Georgians' behalf.

The Georgians knew this, which is why they had tried so hard in the proceeding year to get into NATO.


There's also the old Cold War rule that as soon as one superpower deployed forces to a given conflict, the other superpower most certainly would not. That's why the US was so quick off the mark to get involved in Korea and Vietnam, while the USSR was so quick off the mark to get involved in Afghanistan. If you were the first superpower (to be blunt about it, the first nuclear power) to get involved in a war, you would be the only superpower directly involved in that war.

To this day, the US is willing to deploy troops for lots of reasons--sometimes to protect allies, sometimes in response to humanitarian issues (Yugoslavia)--but never in a situation where they will get into a shooting war with Russia or China. And the tendency is reciprocal. When Russia sends troops into Georgia, they do so knowing the US will not send their own troops to Georgia. When the US sails a half dozen aircraft carriers through the Taiwan Straits, as they did in 1996, they do so knowing China will not cross that line and attack Taiwan, as they were threatening to do at the time.


Excellent point. Though I believe that ties into the parent posters point of Georgia trying to get into NATO. If they had been NATO the US would have been legally obligated to help, which would have pushed Russian to avoid invading knowing it would start a much bigger war. Since Russia knew Georgia wasn't NATO, and it was up to the US to decide to engage or not, and the US would avoid having a war with Russia, Georgia was open for invasion.


It actually goes even deeper than that. Georgia pushed for "fast track" membership in NATO and got shut down, hard. The U.S. wanted it, but most of the other members were so set against it that the U.S. backed off and Georgia didn't get it. When NATO denied Georgia membership, they might as well have sent a letter to the Kremlin with the following text:

"Dear Vladimir and Dmitri,

We are absolutely unwilling to risk war in defense of Georgia.

Sincerely, NATO."

The great irony is that, by taking steps intended to stave off a Russian invasion, the Georgians instead opened the door for one. If they had instead played a slower and more cautious game, they might have maintained sufficient ambiguity and doubt to keep the Russians out. Maybe. Or not. I'm also playing Monday morning quarterback here, so I can't really blame them for trying.


If the Georgians knew that the US would not help them against the Russians, then why did they attack? They got really drunk one night in the general staff room?


They were pretty much between a rock and a hard place. If they failed to attack, their national sovereignty and unity were at stake. They also thought (mistakenly) that they would be able to keep the Russians from interfering by blocking the tunnel between North Ossetia (part of Russia) and South Ossetia (nominally part of Georgia). Based on the (incomplete/incorrect) information they had, this was a reasonable assumption to make.

What they didn't know was that the Russians had already moved several brigades through the tunnel and controlled both sides of it before the fighting in South Ossetia started. But, hey, maybe it really was pure coincidence that those two things happened in that order, in rapid succession.


This comment doesn't make any sense IMHO ;-)


The U.S doesn't invade, sheesh, rather "occupy", and having company is a priceless cure for loneliness... Although looking at the U.S. National Debt, someone is trying to put a price on keeping other places company.




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