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You may not upgrade to the next iPhone model, but are you going to switch to another platform? If not, then you're still in Apple's ecosystem and generating some revenue and opportunity for them, aren't you?

iPhones age better than other phones. You can also get them to a service and get a batter replacement and they're like brand new after two years of use. You can't really say the same thing about the other phone makers, it depends on luck really. I've had Nexus and Samsung phones die on me after less than 2 years.

This need to update your phone every year or every two years is insane, the peak of consumerism. And iPhones are now good enough that you don't have to do it. I've seen multiple people using the iPhone 6 and not upgrading to 6s, 7, 8, X or XS.

I mean, as a society, shouldn't we be glad that we're no longer buying a new phone every year? Think of how much junk that generates.

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> MacBooks are worse now than they were since 2015. I won't upgrade until they get rid of the TouchBar. I would rather go back to Windows than use that stupid TouchBar.

You're exaggerating. Personally I don't mind it that much. The only problem is the ESC key, otherwise I never touch typed the F keys. And I like having the fingerprint scanner.

You actually haven't mentioned the problem with more recent laptops (post 2017) which is the quality of the keyboard. Mine is still working after a year, fingers crossed, but I heard you can get it replaced for free.

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> Apple software is terrible. iTunes is still the worst piece of software that I'm forced to use. The bugs they've had are inexcusable.

Personally I don't use iTunes. I never understood people that do. You've also just mentioned the worst piece of software that Apple makes and it's kind of unfair because it's not representative of everything Apple makes.

I also have access to laptops using Linux and Windows and for me MacBooks still have the best ecosystem. And their laptops are still the best, even if overpriced.

If that weren't true, then you wouldn't see a majority of developers at software conferences with MacBooks.




The percentage of people with Macbooks at conferences has decreased a lot. It used to be >50% at the conferences i was attending. Nowadays it's more like 15%. You also see a lot of Dell XPS, Thinkpads etc.


> This need to update your phone every year or every two years is insane, the peak of consumerism.

I'd happily still use my iphone 4 if I could. The problem is the software bloat means that even the latest compatible version is really slow. Not to mention that it means that I no longer get the latest version of apps or security fixes (due to stopped software updates).


While I understand where you are coming from, the iPhone 4 was announced in 2010[1].

I believe a more apt comparison would be my current situation with an iPhone 6 which came out in 2014[2]. It works perfectly fine, albeit with a new battery. I do not plan on upgrading to any iPhone past the 6 unless the headphone jack comes back (my major personal gripe).

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone_4#Release

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone_6


My Iphone 6 is still going strong after 4 years. Replaced the screen myself twice and battery once, planning to do a second battery replacement. There's no killer feature in the other models that would determine me to upgrade.


I'm on my 2nd SE. Unless Apple makes an SE2, I'll buy another SE when this one dies. To me iOS is still the most stable mobile OS, but I don't like the current models' form factors. They're all entirely too large.


Same. I don't want a phone larger than the SE, that requires a mushroom glued to the back for manual manipulation.

Also, I too refuse to use any MacBook with that infernal touch bar.




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