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Over China? Yes.


But do you also realize where you are getting all your news about China from?


Do you have proof that any of the news about China (from tons of different sources, including other countries that are not America) is propaganda or not accurate? You're implying a global conspiracy is afoot to besmirch the good Chinese name when everyone has known for a while that they're generally bad actors behind the scenes when it comes to spying and stealing of secrets/IP/tech.


IP theft aside, anti-Chinese propoganda goes back 200 years in the US and UK. Is this question about proof a joke?


Can I have some of the verifiable evidence of your anti-Chinese propaganda from the last 10 years? You seem adamant that there's an abundance of it across the globe and that it's so pervasive over the past 200 years. I'd love to see just some of the recent bits.



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Huh? The Cold War was not a conspiracy in the way you're implying at all. It was very publicly out there as you had kids under desks to avoid nuclear war and both countries saying how awful the other is. Westerners know plenty about China... you seem to be referring to a time hundreds of years ago where China was this far-away place and no one knew about it or understood it because we primarily traveled by trains and boats that took weeks to get anywhere and didn't have an internet connection with them. Times are a little different and have been for a long while.

Today people from the West travel to and live in China constantly. Tons of Chinese kids come to America and go to universities (some where they're like 20% of the school's incoming class). How do you think all of the west's stuff is made in China? From communicating with Chinese people and traveling to China. It didn't just magically happen. It's also pretty well known to the West and other parts of the world that China has been stealing state and corporate secrets for a very long time.

I really don't get this argument. The West (and world) knows China inside and out.


What you are stating couldn't be further from the truth. The average US citizen actually knows very little about China (we can include most of the World) and are very easily manipulated into accepting views that do not reflect reality.


Can I see your evidence of this? Because what I stated actually has evidence. There's explicit proof of people in America moving to China. There's explicit proof of Chinese students coming to America to learn. There's explicit proof of us creating deals with the Chinese for manufacturing. There's explicit proof of Americans and Chinese communicating. There has never been more Chinese - Americans in the US.

You however hand-wave my whole post away and say it can't be further from the truth with no evidence. You also say that the average US citizen actually knows very little about China. I would argue that's inaccurate. I would say that Americans have never known the Chinese better. All people are able to be manipulated into accepting views that do not reflect reality. I'm not sure how that still supports the belief that was stated above that Westerners know little about China. What mysteries do Westerners not know? Their brutal concentration camps have even been in the news recently. Their hacking attempts have been in the news forever. Their party's takeover of the government and potential lifetime dictatorship has been in the news.

You seem to be implying that everyone in the US are dunces.


Apple to apple, at national interest and security level, they could be doing the same hack




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