> You've seen those links? Have you read them? The third one is a link to the most extensive literature review ever undertaken,
I did read those links. The first two conspicuously did not make a claim about a physiological origin, and the third gave a "report" link that led to a paywall.
Thanks! This new link was super useful, and is probably the strongest evidence available on this thread. Do you think that the CDC would endorse the claim about physiological origins in this report? (It's from 2015.) It's notable that the report introduces yet another name and set of defining criteria. As far as I can tell this report does not yet reflect an expert consensus, but I've updated my opinions significantly.
> I'm left wondering exactly what it will take for people to back off this stuff about this being a psych illness.
Can we agree that, given the social and economic implications, there is a huge demand from patients for doctors to issue a diagnosis for various collections of self-report symptoms (not just CFS/ME/SEID)? And that this leads to the potential for bias in the system? Are you not unsettled by the fact that the report you link admits that replication and validity are still big open problems?
I'm generally very worried with the anger and political bent to this thread (though your comments in particular have been very productive and are much appreciated). It just seems more productive try to convince skeptics based on the merits of the evidence, and admit when there remain significant disagreement and uncertainty among experts.
I did read those links. The first two conspicuously did not make a claim about a physiological origin, and the third gave a "report" link that led to a paywall.
https://www.nap.edu/catalog/19012/beyond-myalgic-encephalomy...
> and their conclusions were strong enough for them to state flatly in the abstract that this is not psychological or psychiatric. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25695122
Thanks! This new link was super useful, and is probably the strongest evidence available on this thread. Do you think that the CDC would endorse the claim about physiological origins in this report? (It's from 2015.) It's notable that the report introduces yet another name and set of defining criteria. As far as I can tell this report does not yet reflect an expert consensus, but I've updated my opinions significantly.
> I'm left wondering exactly what it will take for people to back off this stuff about this being a psych illness.
Can we agree that, given the social and economic implications, there is a huge demand from patients for doctors to issue a diagnosis for various collections of self-report symptoms (not just CFS/ME/SEID)? And that this leads to the potential for bias in the system? Are you not unsettled by the fact that the report you link admits that replication and validity are still big open problems?
I'm generally very worried with the anger and political bent to this thread (though your comments in particular have been very productive and are much appreciated). It just seems more productive try to convince skeptics based on the merits of the evidence, and admit when there remain significant disagreement and uncertainty among experts.