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Except they never lied about that according to Snowden's documents. They never recorded all domestic phone calls.



1. James Clapper is not in the NSA.

2. The NSA never recorded all domestic phone calls, and there is no evidence that they ever did, so neither Clapper nor the NSA lied about that.


> 1. James Clapper is not in the NSA.

It's true that James Clapper was not employed by the NSA at the time the question was asked. Are you suggesting that therefore he does not know the answer? If he does not know the answer then why did he answer the question?

> 2. The NSA never recorded all domestic phone calls, and there is no evidence that they ever did, so neither Clapper nor the NSA lied about that.

The question posed in the linked video clip is "Does the NSA collect any type of data at all on millions, or hundreds of millions of Americans?".


> Are you suggesting that therefore he does not know the answer?

No, I'm asserting that any statements by Clapper can't show the NSA lying about anything any more than statements by Trump can show the NSA lying about anything because neither is part of the NSA.

> The question posed in the linked video clip is "Does the NSA collect any type of data at all on millions, or hundreds of millions of Americans?".

And the video is irrelevant to the discussion both due to the point above and due to the discussion being about recording content of conversations, as I said in GGP.


Clapper was Director of National Intelligence, head of all American intelligence agencies. He may not have been in the NSA, but he definitely had the responsibility of oversight.


So does Trump, who lies more often and more egregiously. That doesn't change the fact that the NSA did not lie about its data collection practices.


I've been citing a lot of sources here. Can you clearly cite your assertion?

Over the past few weeks and several threads, you've consistently asserted that NSA/CIA don't bulk-collect Americans' data, with no citing proof. Did you fill out an SF-86 or something?


None of your sources support your claims. I've been pointing to the exact same sources.

I do not work for the US government any more than you work for the Kremlin. Obama called for a "thoughtful fact based debate" over government data collection policies in the wake of the Snowden leaks. By spreading nonsense, you are preventing that debate from occurring.


I guess that means no citations.


How about TFA for a citation? If you had read it, you would have known that the article you linked is no longer relevant.

How about the article you linked for a citation? If you had read the article you posted, you would have known that it doesn't support your full-take of content claim.

Exactly the same as with GGP, my citations are the articles that you and he posted.




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