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>while Trump's remaining voters, who have been repeatedly embarrassed and disappointed, have as much motivation to show up at the polls as a child has to show up at a vaccination clinic.

Have they been? In real life? Or was it rather the inverse (all the impeachment fantasies etc, the collusion stories endlessly appearing and fading, the economy that was "sure" to suffer, etc...).





Can't see the NYT one (paywall).

That said, is the Washington Post a representation of the "real life"?

Have they regularly run such stories by embittered union leaders before, when the President was more to their liking?

Or is it just confirmation bias?

Especially with economic indicators going strong (so much for the "disaster" people like Krugman predicted "If the question is when markets will recover, a first-pass answer is never" [1] on those same papers), and many companies, including Apple, announcing plans to bring jobs back to the US.

At worst, the WaPo link you've sent would be "business as usual", the untangling of US manufacturing jobs that has been happening since Reagan, if not earlier. Surely not some unique catastrophe imposed by The Donald.

[1] https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/projects/cp/opinion/elec...


You asked if Trump supporters have been disappointed. I gave you an example of a person who supported and even advocated for Trump, and is disappointed with his presidency. If that isn't what you wanted, you should have asked for something else.


with all of Trump's personal misbehaviors and misstatements, I'm guessing it's hard for them not to feel embarrassed and/or awkward and/or disappointed. in short, they're demotivated:

* fiscal conservatives have had to defend the guy who brought them new tax laws that increase the deficit

* border wall supporters have had to support a man who just signed an omnibus spending bill which included basically no funding for the wall (not to mention the lack of funding from Mexico, which Trump also promised)

* immigration restrictionists have watched the Trump administration feebly defend travel bans that were immediately held up in the courts

* voters who consider themselves well-mannered, civil conservatives have had to defend a president who frequently insults and/or abruptly fires his own allies and team members

* voters who mistrust Wall Street big banks and want the swamp drained have watched as Trump embraced and employed some of these same Wall Street big bankers, including a couple of Goldman Sachs Democrats, who ushered in a huge corporate tax break

* conservative Christians have had to defend a serial adulterer

* manufacturing workers who were promised a significant revival of the manufacturing base have not seen much progress either, because bringing millions of manufacturing jobs back to the US is really really difficult to accomplish. but Trump promised it during his campaign. "You'll get so tired of winning..."

* what's going on with the US trade gap with China? we shall see, but, as Paul Krugman pointed out recently, Trump is not off to a great start. does he even know what he's doing? which brings me to ...

* voters who respect competence, order, a well-oiled machine, etc are not seeing much of it in this administration. at all.


> fiscal conservatives have had to defend the guy who brought them new tax laws that increase the deficit

Advocating for tax cuts and then using the resulting deficit increase to fuel advocacy for spending cuts has been a strategy of fiscal conservatives for decades, so this is just fiscal conservatism as usual, not something that will cause most of them problems.


> fiscal conservatives have had to defend the guy who brought them new tax laws that increase the deficit

On the other hand, non-fiscal conservatives should be jumping with joy.

> border wall supporters have had to support a man who just signed an omnibus spending bill which included basically no funding for the wall (not to mention the lack of funding from Mexico, which Trump also promised)

Well, "border wall supporters" also knew that "Mecico will pay" was BS political strong talk promising. And they see that Trump does indeed moves to restrict immigration, which is what really mattered to them, not whether some physical wall will be built or not.

(And let's not talk about "broken promises" about the Wall, when there's the previous administrations tons of broken promises about progressive politics, all official promises during the campaign of "Hope").

> immigration restrictionists have watched the Trump administration feebly defend travel bans that were immediately held up in the courts

And they can easily just blame the courts for this, while still thinking Trump at least tried

> voters who consider themselves well-mannered, civil conservatives have had to defend a president who frequently insults and/or abruptly fires his own allies and team members

Voters who consider themselves well-mannered, civil conservatives either are hypocritical or felt they have had no place in modern politics ever since at least Nixon.

> voters who mistrust Wall Street big banks and want the swamp drained have watched as Trump embraced and employed some of these same Wall Street big bankers, including a couple of Goldman Sachs Democrats, who ushered in a huge corporate tax break

I'll give you that. Not that they weren't expecting it, short of actually having some kind of revolution.

> conservative Christians have had to defend a serial adulterer

That's no problem for them, Christ himself was all about forgiveness, and besides, most of their TV evangelists are serial adulterers as well.

> manufacturing workers who were promised a significant revival of the manufacturing base have not seen much progress either, because bringing millions of manufacturing jobs back to the US is really really difficult to accomplish. but Trump promised it during his campaign. "You'll get so tired of winning..."

At least they do see some movement in this direction, which is more than one can say for the previous decades.

> what's going on with the US trade gap with China? we shall see, but, as Paul Krugman pointed out recently, Trump is not off to a great start. does he even know what he's doing? which brings me to ...

Well, Krugman had also said in November 2016 that "the economy is never going to recover" (from Trump), based on some temporary disruption in the stock market. Clearly (and perhaps just like Trump) there are no consequences whatsoever as to whether what he prophecies holds up or not.

> voters who respect competence, order, a well-oiled machine, etc are not seeing much of it in this administration. at all.

Those are fewer and fewer, because many (even people who didn't vote for Trump) feel that the "competence, order, a well-oiled machine" of prior decades has been mostly working against them. What they want is to see some disruption to this well-oiled machine of "business as usual".


yeah, ok. but i still predict a Trump loss in 2020, if he's even in the race.

my overall point is that these issues are enough to keep a reasonable or perhaps substantial fraction of the previous Trump voters at home on Election Day in 2020.

by contrast, we will see a huge fraction of Trump opponents dance into the polling stations on Election Day 2020.

forecasters should not take all of these past Trump voters for granted in 2020. there's just not enough good news to make them enthusiastic.




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