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>The department estimates it would affect 710,000 immigrant visa applicants and 14 million non-immigrant visa applicants, including those who want to come to the U.S. for business or education, according to the documents.

this will hurt business. this will hurt american companies. this will hurt the country.

this will not catch any terrorists. this will not catch any serious drug traffickers. this will not be socially useful.

i can't make it any more clear.

the more this country outwardly projects "we're a police state, and people from other countries are unwelcome" the more isolated we will become and the more backward our peers will find us to be, and rightly so.



> the more isolated we will become and the more backward our peers will find us to be

Unfortunately, the same strain of thought that is pushing these measures is quite happy with us being more isolated and worse regarded. They think being isolated is manly virtue; that acting in concert with the international community is feminine weakness. Being liked implies that we give something away; being hated implies that we get what we want.

Hence cries of "globalist cucks!" and so on. Isolation is Strength.


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Please don't bring these snarl words into HN discussion. They're shallow dismissals that violate the community comment guidelines.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Social_justice_warrior#.22Virt...


Nothing of any value was ever communicated with these stupid buzzwords.


And your contribution to the discussion is...?


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These people are calling their ideological opponents cuckolds and yet I'm the one creating sexist divisions?


which people?


I could almost agree with you post above this one, but "cuck" has been a meme of the alt right since the run up to the 2016 US election. You are either being disenguous or have not seen enough of the current grass roots politics to be speaking so authoritatively


> Why does an opinion need to be masculine or feminine?

Uh, that was the point of the comment you called "virtue signalling". It was critical of the idea that international cooperation is "feminine weakness".


Who said that international cooperation is feminine weakness other than the guy who wrote it? Having a thought doesn't make it a reality.


I couldn't disagree more - this focuses on giving Americans a chance to get employment before anyone else. What's wrong with that?

I'm a Brit and would love the same policy here.


Seriously? How does a visitor coming to see Grand Canyon take away a job from American ?


My bad, I thought this was for work visas.


Actually, after reading the article, this doesn't mention tourist visas so my previous point is valid


Well as the article says it's for "applications for all visa types" can you enlighten me how this would help with giving Brits or Americans a better chance of employment?

Any corporate bringing people in under a skill-based exception is unlikely to be affected - they already game the system, that they helped create, significantly. Any potential overseas worker wanting to emigrate will just add "make a FB, and Twitter account" to their to-do list alongside get a degree.

Social media accounts are not exactly rare things. Would you be happy for the subjective judgements to be required against everyone's (including natives) social media when applying for a job, bank account, holiday, or travelling?


I agree - people lie, cheat and play the system to get what they want. Define the sorts of people you want to give visas to.

So which is it - the American government is super competent and tracks everything and everyone, or they're super incompetent and can't tell a social media account has been created for the purposes of getting a visa?


It does absolutely nothing of the sort and you know it.


This is why I hate HN. Someone here has an opinion that doesn't toe the line and instead of asking about the opinion, instead of considering he might be right in at least some way, we downvote to oblivion.

Bunch of assholes, really.


Because their "opinion" is straight trolling. Not every opinion deserves respect.

And I notice you didn't ask about the opinion, but rather just started complaining about everyone else who wasn't in the mood for their bullshit.


An opinion goes against your indoctrination so you cry out an accusation. I didn't question him and I didn't downvote him either.


How is having a different opinion trolling?


Because you are all over the thread complaining about immigrants stealing jobs when, obviously, that is not the point being discussed here.


I'm just asking questions


Having a different opinion isn't trolling. But that's not what you're doing here, and most members of this board are intelligent enough to see through your petty screeds about illegal immigrants.


There are no "petty screeds." You're imagining things, just like you're imagining that most people want illegal aliens in their country.




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