>I'm not sure what to tell you, people who have built organizations that employee thousands of people have contributed more to society than average. If that needs further justification then I'm not even sure how to respond to that.

A very large portion of those people have contributed more suffering to the world, and continue to do so through the continued exploitation of the worker class and lower classes.

Should probably bow out after this one; I don't think there is much room for rational discussion for my viewpoints here.

I agree that walmart is a piece of crap, but you don't really know what suffering is. Please ask your grandparents what options their grandparents had in life.

If you have some notion that corporations that try to profit are a blight on society and that their abolition will lead to some dream world, then by all means. Please knock over all the establishments, nationalize all corporations and divy profits amongst the workers, redivide the wealth of every millionaire, publish a list of banned words like 'wealth', and so on, and then point me to the nearest democracy.

> I don't think there is much room for rational discussion for my viewpoints here.

I agree, you refuse to address the arguments people bring up in favor of attacking straw men and relying on sarcastic hyperbole.

Wow, that's one hell of a strawman.

I am absolutely not against people wanting to run a business for profit. In that sense, I am a rather pragmatic socialist libertarian, if you will.

However, I am strongly against businesses that exploit their workers by underpaying and overworking them.

"I'm not sure what to tell you, people who have built organizations that employee thousands of people have contributed more to society than average. If that needs further justification then I'm not even sure how to respond to that."

I hear that often but is it really true? Maybe they just have found a way to funnel money to themselves instead of it going to other businesses. For example has Walmart created anything or did they just take the money that would otherwise have gone to a lot of small businesses? For sure they were very smart but did they make the country better? I am not so sure.

They sold things more cheaply than other businesses could do. That's almost the purest example of benefiting others you can come up with, it's only one step short of literally putting money in their customer's pockets.

In the end they took money out of the pockets of a lot of small bushiness, put a lot of it into their own pockets and also a lot benefited customers. Maybe it's an overall benefit but I don't think it's that clear. It's not like they developed some new technology that opened totally new markets.

What, so the other businesses should be allowed to remain profitable while screwing over their customers on price even after a competitor comes along who can do a better job? Please, this is what markets are all about.