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I am a total layman, so could somebody explain the significance of this study? Obviously those substances alter the brain chemistry, that is not surprising, I think. How are those changes significant? Is there cause for concern?



> Is there cause for concern?

There is really nothing surprising about the findings. Also note that the animals' brain tissues were analyzed 24 hours after last administration, so it says little to nothing about permanent effects (which have never been found in other studies, afaik). I really don't get why trivial/unsurprising findings like this raise so high on HN.


Software engineers (myself included) love thinking that they so smart that they follow other fields up to the latest research.

(It doesn't mean that we're necessarily wrong though).


Its not limited to software engineers. Theres no shortage of blowhards that conflate knowing and understanding.


Yep - illusion of explanatory depth: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3062901/


My background is in biology (PhD, Biophysics) but I do software engineering. Few SWEs who follow biology have any clue or understanding, and easily get fooled by bio papers.


Caffeine and cannabis work together.

> However, the combination of cannabis and caffeine mostly caused synergetic response in the level of the neurotransmitters; this implies that both substances produced their individual effects and did not cancel out the effects of one another. This is also expected since they bind primarily to various receptors. Thus, the resultant relative hyper increase is the cumulative effect of their individual influences.


Colloquially known as a hippie speedball.


I rarely enjoy this during the work week, but it is definitely a Sunday morning staple. Great for steady mellow productivity.


Two quite different drugs don't entirely cancel out? An extraordinary finding indeed. We need to do more research.


I remember reading a lot about it canceling each other, this is pretty important.


Never heard about it, been smoking for 10+ years.


Same. To comment further: I still really enjoy my coffee.


Been smoking for a long time and a massive coffee drinker to the point work thinks something's wrong with me and Ive never felt the effects some of my googling describes regardless of my then Cannabis and Caffine intake.


> Caffeine and cannabis work together.

I wonder if it is a more extreme version of drinking tea? Tea has a calming chemical (Theanine), and caffeine so you end up with more of a mellow energy instead of the hyper energy from coffee.


Theanine is also a fairly common substance in the smartdrugs community. People often stack it with caffeine to improve concentration and supress the jumpiness that caffeine often causes in higher doses.


No. After a quick look, 1) the main point seems to be toward juveniles 2) this isn't a particularly in-depth study. As you said, substances alter chemistry, no surprise.

To be clear, there's evidence elsewhere that caffeine and cannabis can have a negative impact on the developing brain, but the data here don't really go in depth on that.


Caffiene affects the brain.

Cannabis affects the brain.

Using both together affects the brain more than we'd expect.

Probably don't let children[1] use cannabis or caffiene, but certainly protect them from heavy long term use of either.

[1] child is hard to define, but maybe anyone under 21.


There is none. Rat/mice studies are used as very early steps to point directions for actually significant studies in human populations.


These reports really need TL;DRs.


same here... good? bad? surprisingly good? etc.?


> Is there cause for concern?

Accidentally smoking your coffee and brewing your cannabis will make for a rough day I imagine


Brewing your cannabis will lead to a disgusting liquid, but nothing else. You'll feel bad but it will have no effects of cannabis because there will be zero THC. THC binds to fat so you have to add butter or oil to the water.


Yeah, which is why I question their results for cannabis: "Cannabis aqueous extract was prepared by first blending the dried leaves, and then blending the dried leaves in fine powder using a dry blender. The fine powder was thereafter soaked in water for about 12 h and filtered; the substrate was evaporated to dryness, weighed, and then prepared into the mixture of suitable concentrations for the various animal groups".

They also don't appear to have tested this solution for levels of THC, CBD, or anything else. Seems like a pretty poorly designed study. I'm somewhat surprised it even got published.


You can make a tincture by combining cannabis with strong alcohol though.


Is it like cold brew coffee but cannabis and liquor?


Look up "green dragon", it takes ~1 month to make and ends up turning a very pretty florescent green. A single shot gloss of the stuff is very strong, and two shots would be intense even for someone with a high familiarity / tolerance to cannabis.


You're thinking of ice hash.




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