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'but still no ECC' Are these cpus going to be useless without ECC memroy?



These are designed for mobile computers, notebooks for that matter. You don't need ECC in notebooks (consumer hardware). So no they are not useless.


So here is the odd thing: servers are (often) managed by Trained Proffesionals, and have backups and failovers.

Personal computers are, well, not like that. And yet they often have peoples important creative works, correspondence etc on them. ECC is probably more useful there, it's just that it is harder to make any benefit visible to the customer.

(That doesn't mean customers don't care about realiability. It is just that they have no sane way of distinguishing a product that really is realiable from one with advertising that lies about being reliable).


"Only servers need ECC" is a big time meme that's been reinforced on computer forums for many years. It's near impossible to snap people out of it.


Servers accumulate bitflips over long periods of time because they run 24/7. If you reboot your computer every few days to clear the memory then it's not going to be a significant problem.


Running 24/7 is not that relevant. It's the number of writes/refreshes on a given bit of information that matters. A server running 24/7 and a laptop, both reading/converting/writing image files have the same chance to corrupt each single image. The server has more chances to corrupt its cached executables though, since they have longer lifetime.


Hehe. Sounds a great approach to computing. Let's keep doing that!


The need for ECC has nothing to do with maintenance or proper administration.

You really don't need ECC as normal user, most of the time bit flips won't really hurt you. However, if, for example, you run long-running tasks like 3D rendering or Physical Simulations you may want ECC just to be sure your OS won't be killed by a bit flip in the wrong section. Your photo gallery or music collection however will most likely never be hurt by something like that, so still, consumers don't need to waste their money on overpriced ECC memory.


> Your photo gallery or music collection

On the contrary, these are generally highly compressed. A single bit flip has major consequences.

My personal photo and music collections are what I care most about bit flips for, as I intend to keep them for a lifetime.

I suspect that the target market for this product would be mobile gaming and thereforce ECC would be a negative for the system as a whole.


> Your photo gallery or music collection however will most likely never be hurt by something like that

Citation needed that people don't care about their photos and music. Human error and storage failures are more likely sources of loss but we're a big industry and can make progress on more than one thing at a time.

> consumers don't need to waste their money on overpriced ECC memory

If ECC went mainstream, prices would drop as volume increased.


Considering Rowhammer, you do need ECC everywhere.


Except that ECC is insufficient because some Rowhammer attacks can flip more than two bits per memory word. The proper mitigation seems to be TRR (target row refresh).




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