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Electing Trump makes Americans look like fools, but Congress is where the action happens (ACA repeals, despicable tax bills, etc). Repealing the clean power plan? Natural gas and renewables are crushing coal and nuclear, and nothing is going to stop that. Rolling back net neutrality? Citizens get involved in local municipal broadband deployments (as it should be!) where governance is controlled by the local electorate.

I'm putting principles (edit: autocorrect fixed) first. I don't fault you if you don't, but what I "stand for" (people taking an active interest in the political landscape) is still going to come to pass, even faster than previously with Trump having been elected (while notably, he has very little control over actual policy). Congress will see more tilting towards progressives under a Trump administration than it ever would have under Clinton.

Step 1: Set fire to house

Step 2: "Do we have your attention now?"

Step 3: Progress




>Congress is where the action happens (ACA repeals, despicable tax bills, etc). Repealing the clean power plan?

Congress drafts legislation, true, but it would be much harder for Republican legislation to pass if they didn't also control the White House. You'll recall that legislation needs to be approved by the President to become law, and at the very least a President Clinton would not be assisting a Republican Congress and Senate in passing all these things you oppose.

>I'm putting principals first.

They do work hard to lead their schools and deserve admiration for that, but we should probably be discussing principles.

> I don't fault you if you don't, but what I "stand for" is still going to come to pass

Maybe, but faux-religious certainty of future victory ignores the very real suffering that comes between now and the glorious future. People losing access to food or healthcare today thanks to Republican policies, for example. That could have been avoided with a different electoral outcome, and telling someone who can no longer afford to eat or get the medication or treatment they need that some day we'll have universal healthcare or UBI or whatever isn't exactly helping.

>Step 1: Set fire to house

>Step 2: "Do we have your attention now?"

>Step 3: Progress

Step 1: Set fire to house

Step 2: You are homeless and have nothing

Step 3: Some day this situation will fix itself, I guess? In the meantime you are starving and living in the street.


> People losing access to food or healthcare today thanks to Republican policies, for example. That could have been avoided with a different electoral outcome, and telling someone who can no longer afford to eat or get the medication or treatment they need that some day we'll have universal healthcare or UBI or whatever isn't exactly helping.

How quickly we forget that Bill Clinton was responsible for dismantling welfare in the 1990s. [1] Hillary would've done better? I don't believe so. Nor does Hillary Clinton think she could get universal healthcare done [2].

> Step 3: Some day this situation will fix itself, I guess? In the meantime you are starving and living in the street.

Step 3 is in progress. Step 2 was beyond our control due to Republican majorities. Excuse our dust while we fix our country.

[1] https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1997/03/the-wor...

[2] https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-clinton-single-payer-he...


>How quickly we forget that Bill Clinton was responsible for dismantling welfare in the 1990s.

No one forgot, it's just not relevant to this conversation. The choice was between Hillary Clinton and Trump. Whatever Bill did can be discussed on their merits.

>Nor does Hillary Clinton think she could get universal healthcare done

And she's right by your very own admission: the Republicans currently control Congress. Universal healthcare isn't happening anytime soon. What could have been done is limiting the damage the Republicans could do while working to take back the legislature. You chose to exchange that real chance for idealistic fantasy.

>Step 3 is in progress. Step 2 was beyond our control due to Republican majorities.

But, again, there didn't have to be a Republican President to implement their policies. It was very much within our control. You are, again, ignoring reality.

>Excuse our dust while we fix our country.

We who? The Republican majorities you seem to oppose are now both in power and have a President who works with them. The "dust" is the human misery currently being caused by them while your glorious Golden Age beckons just over the horizon. I'm not happy calling that suffering "dust" or accepting it as the price to pay for some nebulous future, and I don't think "you have to break some eggs to make an omelette" is very principled at all, especially when those affected in the meanwhile are the poorest and most vulnerable, exactly the people you claim to want to help.


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