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Half of Russia's landmass(and almost all of its capital cities) is firmly in Europe, so why not?



Noone cares about landmass.


But major cities, and therefore most of the workforce, are in Europe. I mean what else, are you going to make the argument that Russia belongs in Asia more than in Europe?


It does not belong to Asia either. Russians distance themselves from the both insisting on their own, superior God chosen ways.


Why the antagonist tone?

Specially in a thread like this that is far from political matters.

And how can you talk in the name of all the Russians?

I know more than one that don't think like you say.


It's not antagonistic it's factual.


What Russians think is irrelevant - their country lies across both Europe and Asia, so if we want to get an overview of "European" workers, then yes, Russians do absolutely count.


So you insist Russians left of Urals are European, and right of it are Asian?


What else could they be? Martians?

They can even call themselves Australian if they want to, but it doesn't change the fact that anything West of Urals is continental Europe. Moscow, most importantly, is a European city, regardless of how Russians feel about such description.


Which brings us to my original point again: noone cares where the landmass is.

Russia does not identify with Europe by choice. On Russian TV there is nothing but mocking Europe and all it stands for; majority of Russians poll as actively hostile to Europe. Russians can't freely travel across Europe (nor can Europeans to Russia). Russia conducts military exercises simulating attacks on European capitals, and actively works to undermine and disintegrate European institutions.

Why do you people insist Russia has to be on the list is beyond me.


Because what matters is context.

Whether or not Russians fantasize about attacking Berlin has absolutely nothing to do with conversations about tech salaries.

I'd say that in the context of conversations about European tech salaries, Western Russian cities should absolutely be included.


Why not the eastern ones then? There is hardly any discernible ethnic, linguistic or cultural difference between Smolensk and Vladivostok.


>There is hardly any discernible ethnic, linguistic or cultural difference between Smolensk and Vladivostok.

I will gladly watch what will happen to you if you say that in Vladivostok suburbs after 1:00 am ^_^

"DISCLAIMER: this is a joke and should not be take seriously"


Wouldn't dare going there 1am even with my mouth shut! :)


Russians can and do travel freely over vast swaths of Eastern part of European continent. This is incidentally a huge chunk of Europe the continent. Moreover, Russians are Europeans. It seems to me you are confused by the adjective European in European Union. European Union is a large union of states, with most territory in Europe. There are (quite a few) more countries in Europe that are not a part of EU. They are 100% as "European" as someone living in EU.


Thanks for taking time to reply, but having grew up in USSR and living in Europe I am not confused by any of above.


Most of Russia's population also in Europe.

What do you care about then? Exceptionalism?


Most of Russian population insists they want nothing to do with Europe or European values - all of them. Does landmass outweighs their opinion for you?


I must've missed that referendum you are quoting here?


> Most of Russian population insists they want nothing to do with Europe or European values

That's irrelevant.

We're talking about continents, not political and cultural leanings.

> Does landmass outweighs their opinion for you

Yes. Continental boundaries are well defined.


It's pointless to talk about comparing salaries in Europe unless there's some market continuity and no significant barriers for workforce. Absolutely not the case with Russia vs Europe, relocation at will without preexisting employment guarantee/sponsorship is not possible.

If you want to stick to the continent though, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Belarus, Ukraine and Turkey should be there as well. Belarus and Ukraine in particular have IT/developer markets of same magnitude as Russia.




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