> I went through several version of this response full of profanity, but I'll trim it down to be appropriate. Absolutely not, and it's really harmful to think this. Hillary Clinton was a full supporter of the active military intervention, overseas CIA action, and domestic spying programs. Delusional tribal politics is a big part of the problem.
"When it comes to civil liberties, smaller government is always a good thing but literally no party supports that. :/"
The fact you missed the importance of that statement and got angry is, ultimately, on you.
"Uh, that's not the silver lining from my POV. The silver lining is that liberals will realize that maybe limited government is a good thing, because they can't always rely on their person being in power. "
The context of the first half of my comment that triggered you was responding to was specifically blaming liberals. (i.e. the tribal politics you despise)
So I'm uncertain what part of my comment caused you to believe I believed Hillary Clinton (or even a majority of democrats) genuinely believe in less government is better for many forms of civil liberty. However, any literal reading of the text should make it clear you misunderstood my comment.
So for the sake of clarity, I'll rephrase what I said in the comment you responded to in the hopes you'll better understand:
Both Democrats & Republicans believe "big government" is the solution to civil liberties problems. They just do not agree with "which liberties" deserve that solution.
Examples:
There is no legitimate government interest that justifies government intervention that restricts the 1st amendment (or passing judgment on people based on the contents of their religious beliefs). Both parties engage in it from different directions.
Same is true of privacy (as I assume you were attempting to mention with domestic spying programs).
Literally no "tribe" that holds elected office shares my belief system or values to a degree substantial enough I genuinely feel represented by the US Government.
I have no interest in misrepresenting your opinion so I will happily narrow my comment.
> Conservatives are the ones that created this nightmare in the days after 9/11. "Liberals" simply did not remove it.
What reason is there to believe that the core of the Democratic party was not fully supportive of activist intervention overseas and domestic spying? Why portray this creation as a result of Conservatives?
"When it comes to civil liberties, smaller government is always a good thing but literally no party supports that. :/"
The fact you missed the importance of that statement and got angry is, ultimately, on you.
"Uh, that's not the silver lining from my POV. The silver lining is that liberals will realize that maybe limited government is a good thing, because they can't always rely on their person being in power. "
The context of the first half of my comment that triggered you was responding to was specifically blaming liberals. (i.e. the tribal politics you despise)
So I'm uncertain what part of my comment caused you to believe I believed Hillary Clinton (or even a majority of democrats) genuinely believe in less government is better for many forms of civil liberty. However, any literal reading of the text should make it clear you misunderstood my comment.
So for the sake of clarity, I'll rephrase what I said in the comment you responded to in the hopes you'll better understand:
Both Democrats & Republicans believe "big government" is the solution to civil liberties problems. They just do not agree with "which liberties" deserve that solution.
Examples:
There is no legitimate government interest that justifies government intervention that restricts the 1st amendment (or passing judgment on people based on the contents of their religious beliefs). Both parties engage in it from different directions.
Same is true of privacy (as I assume you were attempting to mention with domestic spying programs).
Literally no "tribe" that holds elected office shares my belief system or values to a degree substantial enough I genuinely feel represented by the US Government.