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Keep putting your money(about 10% or more if you can swing it) in a good index fund and ignore it for 40 years. There's a good chance you'll do about as good as 50% of the stock market investors(or more counting fees lost) and you can do something more productive with your time.

Stock market investing reminds me of that insurance commercial with the fishing pole. "you gotta be quicker than that..."

If you want a better investment spend it on educating yourself... or something where you can have inside advantage like your own company.




+1 for Index investing - also called passive investing, couch potato investing etc. It is so simple and elegant I can put it in code:

    // Decide asset allocation based on risk tolerance.   E.g. 75% Stocks / 25% Fixed income
    set_asset_allocation(risk_tolerance)

    // Determine which index you want to track. E.g. 25% Canada (TSX)
    // 25% US (S&P500), 25% Developed World (MCSI EAFE)
    select_funds(list_of_funds)

    // Set up automatic purchase plan so your account automatically purchases the funds bi-weekly or monthly.
    enable_auto_purchase(name_of_financial_institution)

    while (alive && working)
        
        // Live and not worry about investments. Instead focus on coding, knitting, cow tipping, etc.
        live(1 year)
        
        // Buy/Sell more units of your funds to return to desired asset allocation
        rebalance()
    done

    retire()
And if history repeats itself you will outperform the top money managers >50% of the time. Check this PDF for the active money managers VS index fund historical results: http://ca.spindices.com/documents/spiva/spiva-us-yearend-201...


And there are services now which automate this. For a management fee (generally 0.025%/year) you can set up automated recurring deposits, choose a risk tolerance, and let the algorithm continuously rebalance your portfolio automatically in a tax-efficient way. Just click some nice big friendly buttons and enter your information and forget about it, and watch your portfolio grow (or drop, with the market).

I work at a startup (https://www.sigfig.com) that does this, and lets you view in-depth information about how your portfolio is performing through rich charts and tables on our site and mobile apps. Our competitors (https://www.wealthfront.com/ and https://www.betterment.com/ among others) offer a similar service with slightly different value props.

There's really no excuse anymore for not signing up for something like this. It's insanely easy and ridiculously cheap. Like, maybe an hour to set up with zero paperwork to send in, and a tenth of the cost of an active fund.


The services you mentioned only for US, or anyone can access it. For example EU citizens can also open account and set periodic investment?


There are some Quora questions about that:

https://www.quora.com/Is-there-an-equivalent-company-to-Weal...

The answer from some brief poking seems to be that there's nothing in the greater EU right now.


Awesome... who wants to collaborate to build one?


Can't be done like that. You can't imagine the regulatory nightmares that would be involved.


Thank you! I'll definitely want to look into this. Just wondering what's the average rate of return provided by these services.


Are you sure about that management fee number? Your company's website differs.


This is my opinion as well. It's possible for more agile traders to consistently make money year after year. It's just fraught and you won't know until after the fact whether you have what it takes. You could also do well for a very long time and then lose those gains.

People tend to trumpet their winnings and not their losses and a shocking number of people don't actually know their rate of return.

I recommend Four Pillars of Investing by William Bernstein (http://www.amazon.com/The-Four-Pillars-Investing-Portfolio/d...). It has a lot of overlap with Malkiel's book and I recommend both of them.

Until you have read at least one of them I recommend you not start investing. The Intelligent Investor is a little optimistic and in later editions even Benjamin Graham admits that maybe active investing is not the greatest idea for most people.


Where's a good place to buy index funds, and how can I set it up on an automatic deposit?



Cannot upvote this enough. This link should be the only answer to this entire thread...


You can do this through your normal brokerage. Just pay attention to the fees. ~$10 per trade is normal, but many brokerages will offer reduced or no fees for certain ETFs or mutual funds.


You can buy ETF-based index funds (Vanguard, iShares, SPDR, etc) via most brokers as they're listed on major exchanges.


> There's a good chance you'll do about as good as 50% of the stock market investors(or more counting fees lost)

A naive response may be "well, then. I'll invest in the other 50%...".

It's important to note that no one, to date, has shown they're capable of predicting who which survive, which fail, and which beat the markets. And if such a person or persons exit that can do so they're sure as hell not sharing it with you.


If anyone finds themselves debating between these options I highly recommend you listen to this, it's a great quick summary:

http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2016/03/04/469247400/episo...




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