Same, that’s kind of funny actually

Yeah lifepo4 will not combust badly. Look up will prose on YouTube he does a lot of tests

Indeed, they also can produce toxic smoke... should be in an outdoor pit. =3

The reliability is very very bad. It was really insane that 2 times in the past few months the main dashboard was down as I’m demoing something. Not to mention the deploy outages and almost daily some random thing was unavailable or delayed.

I had to leave a few months ago after the price raises and how many times my boss saw some issue in the project I had with them.

They also deprecated and removed their sqlite backup service. Back to GCP and not worrying about so many outages now.

Now just to worry about GCP getting shut down with a few days' notice. /s

But in all seriousness the gall to raise prices before actually fixing the reliability problems is pretty shocking. I understand it's a bit of a chicken-and-egg thing where you maybe are tight on resources but there's no scenario where it's acceptable to have a product with these kinds of problems and then raise prices on existing customers who are putting up with it.

No /s is needed. Relying on any Google product long term is crazy.

Google's b2b products are relatively stable (relative to their b2c free services). You generally get somewhere like a year of notice if they shut it down.

theres just so many anecdotes/nightmare stories from people using fly.io here much more than the ones linked by GP

expect to see more of these "post-mortem apologies" from fly.io in the future because it won't be the last

You're right. It won't. Nobody could claim otherwise.

You did.

That’s why you gotta run graphene

.25% on top of any investments you have through them, on top of the fund expense ratio https://www.betterment.com/pricing

That is 62k gone to fees assuming:

12k start, 12k put in per year. for 30 years at 7%.

People don't realise that the opportunity cost of those fees is compounding money.

In your example that 67k is 4.8% of your investments. And that's not including the fees of the ETF or mutual funds you get invested in.

I would never even think about touching this service - why would anyone use this?

Because it's easy. If someone's eyes glazes over before you get to the third Q in QQQ, and they're not going to entertain a conversation over Roth and 401k, some place to just money over to for retirement is very attractive.

Vanguard target retirement 2060 for 401k / IRA, and 2040 for my brokerage. I try to keep it simple.

Each time I leave a job I roll into Vanguard so I'm not paying more fees each year for no reason.

If you don't want 10% bonds, then use VTSAX maybe.

If you just rolled your money into vanguard directly, you would avoid the .25% annual fee which is a lot of money compounded over time

Right, Betterment and Wealthfront primarily only if you don't want to do anything more than shoveling money into a single place.

A bunch of mini outages and the main site + dashboard was out for maybe an hour last week on Thursday.

my production app has had 1 outage where stripe webhooks weren’t delivering for 45 minutes which is a huge issue for sure.

I mitigated by checking in addition to the webhook event and also it hasn’t had a problem since. Their explanation was a 3rd party networking issue at or near one of their data centers

Pretty funny that I built an app in Brazil and then this happens right before it goes live.

It would be nice to have stable pricing and not have a fear of different features costing more out of the blue.

Other than this, fly has been a great service, I love the system, the CLI and litefs.

It scares me that internal bandwidth charges will start being added, the application I’m using has a lot of internal transfer which is currently free.

Internal bandwidth price is free? I decided to avoid Fly.io because the pricing page suggests it is not:

"Any traffic exiting a Fly.io Machine is considered outbound data transfer, including:

- traffic destined for the internet - traffic destined for other Machines or apps in your network"

I have many edge nodes with data being synced to them internally with liteFS. This is free

Edit: maybe you are right actually. I have to check on this closer. App is just about to launch so I hadn’t paid so much attention

The nice thing about Fly is it’s very docker oriented, so depending on your app migrating it off may be fairly straightforward?

My apps are all on Fly but in the regions without big hikes thankfully, so I’m sticking around for now, but it sucks some people are being hit by this…

Technically you are right. However my app is using litefs. In theory you could set this up on your own servers. Which is part of the reason I was so interested in it.

However with fly it’s just one command to add a new region and my data is auto replicated there.

That’s super nice compared to manually managing this.

As long as bandwidth costs do not go up drastically I think it’ll be okay.

Fly.io.

One command and it’s in another region, with my data thanks to litefs. It works great for my read heavy e-commerce app