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Odds are the stock market comes back, CARES put in a decent amount of backstops for things like the mortgage industry and other 'big' sectors do they'll have available capital as we come out of this to start doing things that make their stocks more attractive. Also generally speaking good odds that industries like airlines and such can successfully lobby for more bailouts. So I buy the S&P will be up and we'll just all be ignoring the total gutting of small businesses.

Plus if say you're a chain restaurant right now, the future probably looks bright. You had the credit to weather a year of takeout only. Meanwhile three of the four family restaurants nearby that you competed with are dead and gone.

Basically very few folks who trade on the S&P went out of business, but a lot of their competitors did. Sure you'll have an entire cohort of newly impoverished that can't spend, but a bunch of your competitors went away. Going to be one of those summers where my ETFs are going up at the same time the food pantry is seeing record usage.


The stock market is at an all time high...


>The stock market is at an all time high...

More like the USD is at an all time low


Why is this downvoted? I think this is a reasonable way to think about it. Asset price inflation seems to be a real thing


Not all stocks. The market is heavily disproportionate to fewer stocks than before and shifted to different industries. Some which are still struggling. For example, RDS.B.


Yes but the full-market index is at all-time highs. Valuations have just shifted around.


RDS=Royal Dutch Shell


The stock market is very much not “the economy”


Right, but they were responding to the part that said "Odds are the stock market comes back".


Ah, fair enough.


I've lived that life with Datadog. I was the dev who was the most into logging so I got voluntold to be in charge of the Datadog rollout. Told everyone it was not a good idea and presented cost estimates to why, we're better off just keeping our own logs and using one of many open source projects that let you pull in logs and analyze them. But all the cool kids were on Datadog, so onto it we went.

What killed us was the combo of the desire to really aggressive log on the staging-master and release-candidate environments (five envs total) and keep the logs for more than 7 days so the QA team could compare the logs from the current release candidate to the previous release candidates. Between the volume of having all the services set at the info level and the desire to keep it more than 7 days, Datadog was >30k a month.

Which at least finally got me permission to set up an open source log manager and switch everyone over to that. Once the initial panic over the Datadog bill died down.


I haven't used DD logs personally but from what I've been told if you send the majority of your logs straight to archive to an S3 bucket and only rehydrate the logs when you need to access them their pricing is pretty reasonable. Because you're storing the logs in your S3 bucket you can keep them however long you want and rehydrate them when you need them (say 30 days later).

The bill will still be in the low thousands but paying 30-40k per year for a logging solution is probably worth the cost if it means you don't have to maintain it. Having logs and metrics (and the APM if you're using it) all in one place is _really_ nice.


You have to survive as company long enough where paying 30k/month sounds reasonable for logging… esp if your revenue is nowhere near it, and are not VC funded… and you will always have to maintain your integrations at the very least.


If you're using log rehydration with DD it's hard to hit the $30k/mo fee. Before I left my last company we were evaluating DD logging and it came out to ~$5-6k/mo for about 25B logs per month.

When you start you'll likely pay a few hundred dollars per month tops. Your personal time alone is probably worth more than that.


Before I left my last company, we were spending about a couple hundred dollars per month just on media storage/bandwidth alone for serving academic papers/docs/data (as well as our logs)… in top 5k in alexa, top 100 in indonesia with about maybe 60-70 customers paying 150-200 dollars per year coming from mostly EM countries… the customers can barely afford/justify spending what we were offering over using some open source alternatives, and there would be no way in hell we'd spend that on just logging.

I at least helped 10x the customers and cut costs from when I joined to before I left (stayed a little over a year)… but man, talk about constraints…


Whats the point of even having it in data dog? Typically we pay a ton for services like Newrelic for monitoring, the APM, and insights. Like you, we have tons of logs, so I wouldn't want to pay Newrelic or Newrelic-similar prices for a service you can just use ELK for yourself much cheaper. So basically I don't really see why you signed on to data dog at all


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