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OP really should have just shared the USDA website annoucment[1]. Regardless this comment reminds me of a fictitious but expositiory scene from a Theodore Roosvelt Documentry. Where he served a steak dinner to a bunch of food lobbyist and read the excepts from the Jungle. It might be a shockingly small amount but for the 20K people eating bad meat it matters, and having tainted/uninspected meat floating about is bad. These are not computers that are facing downtime they are people. People who could be subjected to crippling food born illiness. I commend the adminstration (a rare occurrence but earned)

[1] https://www.fsis.usda.gov/recalls-alerts/shanghai-ravioli-co...


Fun story: for my final project in my high school junior-year history+literature class, I did the same: my friends and I grilled and served hotdogs to our class, and then proceeded to read the chapter of The Jungle that describes all manner of foul material falling into the sausage machinery. The reactions of my classmates still makes me grin 30 years on.

If people feel this way they should just start a flag this AI post campaign. If people can flag anything they disagree with a little effort the community can be AI free at least on main page.

That said it would be interesting to have a AI flagging so you can just filter the just AI topics. Its very different from people harping on crypto or VC focus. I dislike reading the AI output when someone says they have an opinion the original source material the AI ripped content from to me is more valuable flaws in all than a normalized AI output


>If people can flag anything they disagree with a little effort the community can be AI free at least on main page

Unfortunately AI-based articles are on topic (AI generated comments are not) and if people flag them they'll just lose their flagging rights. I'm also reasonably certain "flagging campaigns" are categorically against the rules, even though there is such a campaign implicitly against "politics."

There's nothing anyone can do about it except complain (which will eventually get them filtered because such complaints are also against the rules), be quiet and tolerate it (which is the only option that follows the guidelines), or else leave to greener pastures.


I think you are being a little overly broad the Hacker news says on topic is "Anything that good hackers would find interesting" or "anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity" an AI article through by how it is generate might actually default to off-topic and unles its refined enough to edify the intellect. But beyond that all of that language is loaded a Good hacker is incredibly fickle and if the community values shift on-topic as a concept shifts. I guess I just feel the community has a lot more latitude to shape its content then your saying.

I.e a long winded way of saying I don't think a campaign to flag stuff actually could be abuse if its done in good faith. I think politics flagging is sometimes in good faith sometimes not. There was an article yesterday that talked about the USDA finding uninspected food which I thought was off topic but only in so much that they shared a headline article and not the actually USDA report. Not bad faith but just the wrong way of sharing. The headline wasn't edifying but the USDA report was concise factual reporting and was mildly interesting. The community is the source of what is on-topic which strong veto powers against things that become non-edifying they way that AI is becoming


While I agree in passing. I think saying you'll export all your work to places with worse labor laws is short-term thinking. Chinese companies are successful yes but they also don't necessarily compete fairly. We still can export large portfolios of goods to China. So to just say they are best because they have a government protected market, plus subsidies so we should abandon local is a bad optimization in the long term


I think the clamoring of the aesthetic of impartiality is destroying interesting discussion. The president is currently lining his pockets with tax payer dollars and being an overall bumbling buffoon. It is not partisan when the would view the US as weaker, less intelligent, and less reliable. Its consequences of inaction and bad policy of the current administration


There's enough corruption and special interest dealings in politics to fill an encyclopedia. If we start on that thread, then the forum will fill up with politics.


Their is nothing new to people warping the founders thoughts and word to whatever they want. Its a common tactic of conservative politicians to paint rosey understanding of the USAs founding that are nothing more the utopian. Its not surprising considering the founders are the perfect target. They are both deeply philosophical and contradiction laddened but also distant, from people who don't reflect on the current American culture. I'd argue though we have a broad disinterest in the principles of the founding at this moment. People are upset the current administration is engaged in nothing more than grift to the maximal amount.

I applaud people continuing to point out corruption. The only thing surprising about the article is that is hasn't been flagged yet


I feel like this question is typed wrong but the same reason someone wants copyright on human work to make money by prevent other people from stealing your work


Not just money, FLOSS relies on copyright laws


Consider your assertions contrapositive.

If hard work implies good outcomes. --contrapositive -> If bad outcomes implied bad work.

I don't think it takes a lot of life experience to see that the above is not true. I argee that hardwork can definitely be corrolated or rather feels corrolated in retrospect but its not a given. Some of the hardest working people are paid the least if you adjust for the hours they actually work, or if the inherent value of their work is low (you mentioned failure to generalize) but even in specific case of tech its not a given that hardwork will actually make the differnece.

Almost no amount of hardwork can overcome the better sitution some people are born into / inherent. Someone staving in africa just isn't going to be the next physics star or atleast the statisistics don't predict them. There is certainly an equalization curve where if you incoming connects and circumstances are good enough hardwork because the decider. But your starting conditions play a huge role on where you will land in the grand scheme of things. You certainly can change your outcome but sometimes hardwork is not the same as smart work, if getting a promotion is 5 year process at your current job or moving to a new place. The better outcome actually comes from working less. I think some other commenters mention this as well.


I don’t know too many unsuccessful people, to be honest, so it’s hard for me to evaluate the contrapositive. The few unsuccessful people I do know definitely show a pattern of not working as hard as the typical successful person I know.

I definitely agree that where you start has a huge impact on what’s possible. I am not saying that a really hard working villager in sub Saharan Africa is going to get better outcomes than the lazy child of an upper middle class family in the US.


Remember the part of the article where he talks about a shocking number of people didnt have the version of AVX he wanted. This is a big issue because SIMD is writing ASM for the most part not C code so new architecture you have problems . RVV riscv SIMD has an interesting way to adapt to different CPU tiering and is a rather complete SIMD architecture but most SIMD architectures have small holes which can be mildly annoying

Simd is by far the most efficient cycles wise paradigm but its also brittle. When the shape of data is odd which is common enough you have to handle it properly which is sometimes a distraction from what people actually care about. Also GPUs exist, GPUs despite being way less power efficient are not brittle in this same way they have issues if memory is difficult but most problems work nicely on GPUs so people just do that because its easier and the tiering problem is less a big deal because GPU process instructions different than SIMD and batching and what not is left to hardware not the programmer


Imagine you have pictures of someones baptism and the kid was nude. Is it CSAM? I think the program would have to say use but morally I'd say no. The issue with client scanning is it has to assume the worst, or they are than liable. If its the person has 20+ different baptism of nude babys well huh that actually might be CSAM because the context of how that concentrated photos implies but even than its hard what if that person actually has 20 God Children its less crazy than one thinks... Especially if they have multiply phones from a single baptism.

You might not like pictures that way but honestly I think more important in procescuting CSAM is to go after the large sources of CSAM generation. Its trafficing in East Asia, and in Europe. I think weirdly America actually produces less CSAM in general because Americans are lot more off put by Sex than most other cultures. Abuse definitely happens in the US but making policy decisions like this produces bad policy.

Does iCloud rehost the photos to other people I don't really know because I use andriod tbh. If they are being rehosted (I assume to members of your contacts) that can be problematic but I think honestly the issue a lot more complex than just protect the children which the source of critic is a lot attacks against apples are coming from


> America actually produces less CSAM in general because Americans are lot more off put by Sex than most other cultures

The US has the largest pornography industry in the world by a massive margin, and the largest consumption of online pornography per capita

Meanwhile should we be surprised that CSAM production is higher in countries like the Philippines that have very weak digital policing, abject poverty, high numbers of street children etc?


The US is pretty extreme, you have at the same time easy access to all the pornography you want (unless you’re in states that require age verification), and also a very prude culture. It’s not the only place with such contradictions though


Texas is particularly wild to me as a midwesterner. All the bibles and megachurches and all that and... They have strip clubs freaking everywhere! Really weird zoning laws as well - I recall seeing a strip club across the street from an Office Depot, next to a deli. The suburbs where I live, you have to go to a seedy part of town so you feel good and ashamed about it. lol

Some TV shows rightfully take aim at this contradiction (recently: The Hunting Wives).


My uninformed guess as a non-murican would be that it's just zoned as a business.

I doubt there would be a special zoning category exclusively for strip clubs.


That varies from state to state, and even city to city.

Where I live "adult entertainment" businesses are forced in most cities to use industrial zoning, like in warehouse / factory districts.

In Texas, I guess it is a lot more restrictive, but most of those businesses are "grandfathered" in because they were built before the suburban areas got built up and the tougher zoning laws went into place.


That’s hilarious!


The age of consent in the PI was like 14 until a couple years ago when they changed it to roughly match international norms, in their culture it was considered consensual rather than abuse until very recently.


You can get married with parental or a judge consent at any age in Mississippi, New Mexico, and Oklahoma.

You can get married at 15 in Hawaii and Kansas.

You are "grandfathered" into sexual consent (not as in "marital rape" but "no longer statutory rape") when you do so.

So we may not want to be lording it too much on "international norms", particularly given that most of the marriages that happen at those ages are not "young couple got pregnant" but "older man in conservative/religious community".


The proposed mechanism was hash matching against known CSAM images, so the baptism photos would not trip the filter because they wouldn’t be hash matches.


But AI algorithms actually deployed by other cloud services do not. You’d hope that they wouldn’t flag a baptism or bris photo but currently fielded systems are flagging doctor-patient medical photos and have ruined lives, so.


> Imagine you have pictures of someones baptism and the kid was nude. Is it CSAM?

In some countries it is as far as I’m aware


I think the major difference is that this article describes some meta concept. Despite being abstract its very concrete. If 2 people read something that is fantasy or even describing a physical process like wood carving. Despite reading the same thing both parties have an entirely different picture of what happened. The clothes on the people are different, the building they occupy is different, the wood you are carving is different, the tools you use are different. These difference are actually the most increasing details which your brain fills in, and this is something completely different from when you watch TV. All the details are filled its concrete and non-abstract. It can still be a compeling story or piece of art but often people are are much worst artist and visual things rarely capture all the things your brain can fill in for detail that make something cohesive. And the details they fill in are often details your brain finds mundane and ignores entirely.

I've been learning about wood turning and carving recent and the amount of character it instils in what use to be dead piece of furniture in a room is honestly life changing. Reading can do this but there are other physical activities which I think a digital society loses touch with. Most of the Ikea furniture today is well engineering but artistically dead (definitely cheaper though :D ).


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