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This is their previous checkout page:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4592827


The previous one seems less deceptive - it makes the user check a box that mentions the VIP program.


Thank you for this.

I was going to say OP's (your) girlfriend went through this 8 months ago, which probably meant a completely different looking checkout page. We all know startups are constantly trying different things in their UI to increase conversion.


Thanks. For me - they are and were good enough. In particular you can get your shoes for past credits. This is far from scam.


> In particular you can get your shoes for past credits.

Still a scam. OP's girlfriend (and probably many others) didn't know about this deal and didn't (knowingly) consent to it.


A quick count from these three websites showed several hundreds customers have fallen victims:

http://www.sitejabber.com/reviews/www.justfab.com

http://www.scambook.com/company/view/146/JustFabcom

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/online/justfab.html

If you google "justfab review" or "justfab scam" or "justfab fraud", there are surely many more.


You've posted this comment three times, and I won't reply on every thread, but let's be clear: these "review" sites are shady operations that extort retailers by aggregating negative reviews and charging to hide them.

Amazon's review is worse than JustFab's on the same site: http://www.consumeraffairs.com/online/amazon.html

You can Google a lot of e-commerce sites with the word "fraud" or "scam" and find a lot of negative stuff. This is the internet.

I don't dispute the fact that there are probably several hundred unhappy customers, as reported the site will do >$100M in revenue and everything costs $40 or less, with 2.5MM+ transactions, it's inevitable, but it's not indicative of a problem.


"but let's be clear: these "review" sites are shady operations that extort retailers by aggregating negative reviews and charging to hide them."

Sounds like a perfect business for you to invest in. Lots of synergies, ya know?


Question: Would you be opposed to a pop-up window which, when the user clicks the pink checkout button, comes onto the screen specifically explaining the subscription program?

I have no doubt it would hugely reduce JustFab's profits.

Dark patterns are bullshit, and your defense of this company is a classic case of cognitive dissonance at work. You don't consider yourself a bad person, so when confronted with obvious evidence of a company you invested in being a scamming piece of shit, you try to find a way to make the company not a scamming piece of shit. In your mind, this may be true. But the rest of us aren't sharing in your delusion.

The world is full of rich people with compromised morals. Please don't be one of them.


That's true, but that doesn't mean that JustFab's businessmethods are not a scam. See the discussion above about not including the Vip-membership in the checkout-flow.


Let's stick to sound reasoning here. Whatever problems JustFab may have, since consumeraffairs ranks amazon at 1 star and 1saleaday at 4 stars, its ratings have no bearing whatsoever on actual consumer satisfaction with JustFab.


JustFab has nearly as many complaints as Amazon while having many millions fewer customers. You're proving the point, not refuting it.


> I don't dispute the fact that there are probably several hundred unhappy customers

You're being disingenuous. You know full well that the 409 1-star complaints filed with consumeraffairs.com are just from people who were motivated enough to file a complaint with that particular site. They are therefore the tip of the iceberg.

They also exclude the quite probably substantial number of exploited customers who don't check their credit card statements every month and therefore are completely unaware that they are paying your company $39 every month. Like for example the subject of the original post.

You know all this FULL WELL, don't you.

This "business" model is designed to ferret out exactly those kinds of people and exploit their lack of attention to fine print and oversight of their credit card activity. It's illegal in Germany, which is why your company had to change its checkout UI to be more clear.. but only in Germany.

This makes me think Matrix Partners has been reduced to a bunch of desperate slimeballs. Guess the days of funding companies like Apple are long gone.


Regardless of what you believe about JustFab, it has to mean something to you that just about everyone commenting about this on Hacker News disagrees with you.


They have engineered their checkout page to be less deceptive. This is their previous page:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4592827


Check out their previous checkout page:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4592827


Check their previous checkout page:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4592827

Maybe they engineered their checkout page to be less deceptive since last year, but the number of victims are still increasing:

http://www.sitejabber.com/reviews/www.justfab.com

http://www.scambook.com/company/view/146/JustFabcom

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/online/justfab.html


If you look at the edit history of JustFab wiki page, you'll see most of the stuff related to their shady business practice was added after last year's discussion [3]

[3] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4592778


The credit card was issued by China Construction Bank. China's financial & banking system is not as advanced as the US, many Chinese people don't use online banking at all.

Her father was the main card holder, and she was using the second card, her father paid the bills every month as soon as he received the paper statement, he didn't notice anything suspicious.


Some people asked why it took her 8 months to find out [3]: she was studying for her Master degree in the US, didn't have a SSN, was using a credit card issued by a bank in her home country, her father paid the bill for her at home and didn't notice anything unusual until she finished her study and came home to look at the credit card bills.

[3] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4592778


Total scam.


Yes, great Business. Great ROI if your are into it ;-)


My girlfriend was studying in the US at the time, she didn't have a SSN, she was using a visa card issued by the china construction bank, her father paid the bill every month and didn't notice anything unusual. She finished her study and returned back to China last month, only then did she find out the $39.95 charge for the last eight months. Basically JustFab robbed her $320 for nothing.


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