Things like this surprise me. Marijuana has never struck me as something to take for pain. In my experience it heightens sensations and increases paranoia while stimulating appetite. I don't see that as especially useful for treating something like tooth pain. Are these patients just getting super baked to the point of comatose?
Growing up playing sports I was never much of a fan of drugs ever, weed particularly because I hate the feeling of smoking.
The years of wear and tear finally took their toll a couple of years ago and I had to have hip surgery to repair a torn labrum and remove an impingement (shave down the bone of the femur in the socket to keep it from tearing things up).
By all accounts this is supposed to be an incredibly painful recovery for the first couple of weeks and they loaded me to the gills with opioids. I hate opioids as they make me itchy as all get out and I’m basically a worthless zombie for the day.
In Seattle, marijuana is legal so I went to the local dispensary for drinkable high CBD oils and chocolate squares on the recommendation of a buddy. It helped with the pain better than the pain killers, plus my high wasn’t the debilitating drool on yourself stupid that the painkillers were giving me. I wasn’t going to be operating a vehicle, but I could still pull out my laptop and write code.
A week later my pain was sufficiently under control I went back to work and the dosage was low enough I could be nearly pain free all day at work and not be high.
The original prognosis was likely 3 weeks due to pain management issues.
I’ve not taken it since, but if I ever have surgery again it’ll be my go to.
Just a quick comment for those taking this as advice:
You probably wanting something in the 40:60 to 20:80 THC:CBD range if you're looking for less intoxicating pain management. In genearl, CBD > THC will lower the intoxication (though not completely remove it!), with the higher ratio lowering it more. However, having some THC will make it much more effective at pain management. (Too much lone CBD veers into being psychoactive-esque, as an anti-psych.)
(The interaction between cannabinoids and you is complex.)
The issue is the THC vs CBD content that’s being provided. Most of the medical/medicinal aspects are focused on strains with more CBD while recreational emphasizes THC
For me marijuana isn't so much about pain relief as pain distraction.
Allow me to get a little metaphorical about my chronic pain. Personally I don't think the major pain relief component of marijuana has much to do with physical reality. When you're a chronic pain sufferer your mind starts to expect pain and you build an entire world of psychological expectation around your pain. What marijuana does is it forces your mind to wander away from what it thinks it should be thinking about.
So in short what I'm saying is marijuana makes you forget you suffer from pain. I think it has something to do with how in clinical studies it's proven that marijuana has an impact on short term memory.
I can see this. I deal with chronic pain daily and I smoke often. After I light up, I am still aware of the pain if I think about it, but as you mention, my mind wanders and I forget about the pain for moments at a time.
There any many different strains of marijuana each with different potencies of the underlying psychoactive chemicals. Smoking a bag of random whatever you bought in high school is not very comparable to walking into a new USA dispensary and buying a prescription of a strain that has been grown to combat specific symptoms you're trying to treat.
Some strains will make you feel dumb, make your head cloudy, and make you forget everything. Some will keep your mind 100% clear but make your body feel like its floating.
I don't think many people realize how useful marijuana is for pain management. I have a chronic illness and I've been able to get off all prescription drugs in place of medicinal marijuana.
For the record, most marijuana users who use it for pain have chronic pain issues and have often been prescribed very strong painkillers. Marijuana is an alternative to opiates, not paracetamol.
In my own experience as someone who does not suffer chronic pain, it helps me relax, and doesn't increase paranoia. I could definitely understand it being useful in limited doses for people it works for.
My observation is that what you state is not remotely true. If you want more CBD, get a high CBD strain. The indicas I see here in the Seattle area have a couple of percent, at best, of CBD. That's why most stores have a "high CBD" section for those that just want pain management, because the other stuff will have minimal CBD and will get you higher than a kite.
As for THC, without even looking at the label I can tell you indica has just as much THC because nothing gives me "couch lock" (just sit on the couch and binge Netflix) like a good indica. In comparison to sativa, which will get me high but I can still get off the couch.
just to be clear to those who don't know. Don't go smoke indica not expecting to get high. It too can have high levels of thc and is just as good for getting high. The high is a bit different, but you are are still high as hell
Ive had some pretty bad headaches (some lasting multiple days) that over the counter meds (tylonol, advil, caffeine) did not help. In some cases weed completely knocked out the headache.
Quite honestly, when the alternative is unbearable suffering, what does it matter if they are? It apparently still represents an improvement in their quality of life.
I never claimed to have researched marijuana's medicinal uses. My experience is all I have and it's purely recreational.
I do not suffer from chronic pain, and never have. Marijuana just has never crossed my mind as something to consume when injured to treat the pain.
People are downvoting my comment as if I said marijuana has no medicinal value, that's obviously not the case. I was only expressing my surprise at these applications of something which, for me, never seemed particularly numbing except in quite incapacitatingly high doses. When I take a pain killer, it's generally undesirable for it to make me completely useless for a day. I'm just curious if that's how it's being used or if my experience is not representative.
I've vaped pure CBD oil a few times as well, the effects were interesting and not at all disabling or paranoia-inducing, but no pain relieving effects were noticable either. I could see how it might be huge for preventing pain resulting from some neuropathic disorders, however.
To be clear: my post was not intended in any away to judge the patients finding physical pain relief in weed. It just surprises me, weed doesn't fill that role in my mind.
I found his question perfectly reasonable. Furthermore, his experience can be confirmed by many 'experienced' weed smokers. I'd say it really depends on the strain, and perhaps also on whether you're using weed or hash.
I at no point disagreed with your claim that weed helps with pain. Furthermore, the person you responded to did not claim that weed is ineffective for pain, he merely expressed surprise.
Based on my own experience (and that of other weed smokers), I can confirm that weed heightens sensations, paranoia, and appetite, and it's not so weird to conclude that this might not be too compatible with a toothache.
And finally, unless I missed it, your study in fact does not appear to claim that weed helps with toothaches. My own experience is that it doesn't really help much with toothaches, and the desire to eat everything in my fridge combined with paranoia is not nice in combination with a toothache.
I suppose perhaps I was a bit unclear in my comment, so my apologies for that.
I'll leave it at that, though, because I find your conduct extremely unpleasant. It can be hard enough to talk about the pros and cons of weed without the 'it cures cancer' and 'it will make you addicted after one puff' crowds. And talking about it is something that I strongly support, because cannabis is a pretty powerful thing (both good and bad).
That's the problem, you seem content to feel superior rather than offering useful information. Granted, you actually did both, but if you had simply posted your link without the snarky assumption of the OP's state of mind, perhaps you would have been better received.
Glib and uninformed? FFS, he or she was merely sharing their personal experience and asking a question based on it. It was a perfectly reasonable and constructive comment and doesn't deserve down votes and smug responses.
> which seems to be intentionally broken on Linux regularly
Please provide evidence to back the claim of intent. This comes across as if you're implying malice, when it's far more likely interfaces change in the natural course of development where there are no restraints like abi/api stability commitments.
Have you brought this is to the attention of the devs? I'd at least hop on freenode #dri-devel and ask around. The people working on this stuff are very accessible, and that is one of the advantages of having an open driver preferably in mainline. Instead of just complaining and accepting poor results, it's a very real possibility to get involved and collaborate with the authors in improving this for yourself and everyone else
After the devs’ fight on the mailing list with AMD, I’ve given up and switched to the proprietary driver. I’d rather use proprietary technology.
After all, the kernel maintainers suggested exactly that: They’d rather have everyone use only proprietary code, than any kind of modularity for drivers in Linux.
The fact that kernel devs are sticking to their guns does not mean that they are not working hard on AMDGPU, it just means they are not compromising to make it easier for AMD to provide the proprietary part (AMDGPU-pro).
AMDGPU-pro is only necessary for features that AMDGPU does not provide, and for the proprietary implementations of Vulkan, OpenCL, HDMI/DP audio (I'm not sure if that has been fixed yet), OpenGL, etc. AMDGPU-pro has nothing to do with KMS or Wayland. It's also worth noting that AMDGPU provides competitive OpenGL and Vulkan performance, so you are better off using it instead of forcing yourself to run an outdated kernel and Xorg that support AMDGPU-pro.
> I’d rather use proprietary technology.
You are free to your own opinion there, but know that there are many of us who care a great deal about open drivers. I, for one, bought 4 AMD cards, partly because of price, but mostly because of the promise of open drivers.
> You are free to your own opinion there, but know that there are many of us who care a great deal about open drivers. I, for one, bought 4 AMD cards, partly because of price, but mostly because of the promise of open drivers.
I generally care more about open source, too, but when the Linux kernel maintainers tell me to "fuck off" and "just use proprietary drivers", then I’ll do exactly that.
> The fact that kernel devs are sticking to their guns does not mean that they are not working hard on AMDGPU, it just means they are not compromising to make it easier for AMD to provide the proprietary part (AMDGPU-pro).
Well, they are trying to make it harder to do that.
All that would be necessary would be a tiny abstraction layer to add driver extensions for functionality that can not be open source today (because it might be something where AMD is actively competing with NVIDIA).
Instead, I’m forced into running an outdated kernel, outdated Xorg, and proprietary versions of everything.
> but when the Linux kernel maintainers tell me to "fuck off" and "just use proprietary drivers", then I’ll do exactly that.
When have they ever done that?
Linus has famously told NVIDIA to "fuck off" because of issues caused by their proprietary drivers. These people want open drivers, possibly even more than I do.
> > The fact that kernel devs are sticking to their guns does not mean that they are not working hard on AMDGPU, it just means they are not compromising to make it easier for AMD to provide the proprietary part (AMDGPU-pro).
> Well, they are trying to make it harder to do that.
The Linux devs are not doing a singular thing to actively make AMD's life more difficult. AMD is begging them to do something that makes their life more difficult, and they are saying, "no".
> functionality that can not be open source today (because it might be something where AMD is actively competing with NVIDIA).
That is, always has been, and always will be, total bullshit. Whether or not you share that opinion, it is the opinion of those who put hard work into maintaining Linux.
> Instead, I’m forced into running an outdated kernel, outdated Xorg, and proprietary versions of everything.
That is the entire premise of Free Software. Only proprietary software forces users, and proprietary software begets proprietary software. Free Software begets Free Software.
If the Linux devs suddenly decide they will compromise to make proprietary software more convenient, then I, the user, will lose freedom. The stubbornness of the Linux team is not just for them, it is for me, for you, and for anyone who uses Linux.
During the AMD vs. Kernel maintainers mailing list slapfight?
It all was discussed there.
> The Linux devs are not doing a singular thing to actively make AMD's life more difficult. AMD is begging them to do something that makes their life more difficult, and they are saying, "no".
AMD has provided a fully working driver with abstraction layers fully implemented, and has offered to pay devs to continue to maintain it.
The maintainers would have had zero extra work.
> If the Linux devs suddenly decide they will compromise to make proprietary software more convenient, then I, the user, will lose freedom. The stubbornness of the Linux team is not just for them, it is for me, for you, and for anyone who uses Linux.
Yes, and that's why the Linux kernel's license is being enforced against OEMs that sell proprietary forks of the kernel and refuse to publish source code...
Oh wait, Torvalds actually support those OEMs. And complains about people who fight them.
> That is the entire premise of Free Software
What good is free software if it is broken?
As I mentioned before, AMD published a fully working solution under GPL, with all functionality there.
I could have much better functionality today, and better stability, and it would all be open.
Instead I have to use proprietary code, because the alternative is an unusable system.
Obese people probably produce elevated levels of insulin-like growth factors over time due to their dietary choices. IGF-1 is already understood to increase cancer rates.
Intermittent fasting studies tend to focus on IGF-1 levels in the interests of slowing aging, which is of course strongly related to cancer prevention.
Funny, and I hope it was cheap and not riddled with debt baggage, because I doubt there's much value left in a pile of ailing brick and mortar stores at this point.
I hope for adafruit's sake this is just a joke around a framed radio shack cert.
