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The problem is that there's nothing between $0/month and $19/month.

I would happily pay $20-50 a year for a "Solo" GitLab plan.

I have a handful of small repos hosted by GitLab. I don't use CICD for those repos.


> The problem is that there's nothing between $0/month and $19/month.

A problem with having a smaller account is that once people are paying anything they expect, rightly so, more support than the free account, and the company has to account for this. It might be more trouble than it is worth to take the money for smaller accounts. You or I might never touch that support, maybe the majority won't, but some very much will.

Our apps (in DayJob) service regulated financial industry companies (T&C and compliance side, not dealing with the money) and we have paying clients who are essentially paying costs because of how much time they drain (one of my regular tasks: proving that bad data has once again been sent in a nightly feed from a 3rd party system which is why we rejected the data). Free users are obviously costs too (they use resource) if you ignore the market-share and mind-share aspects, but it may be that low-cost users would be a worse prospect for the business.

Also offering multiple pricing plans can cause confusion for some users who already don't 100% know what they actually want.


So then the free tier has you covered right? It's still there, with 5gb storage, unlimited private repos and everything.


No, because they intended to delete inactive repositories of free-tier users. Especially for personal use, that's a big no-no.

They quickly backpedaled after it turned out this generated really bad PR, but it does clearly demonstrate why GitLab's free tier does _not_ cover you.


Where will you take your GitLab repos now?


They're not inactive so there's no reason to move them.

I also have Github and Bitbucket accounts if necessary.


I'm in South Korea and the banner claims I'm in United Arab Emirates, however it shows the correct flag for my location. 218.146.64.x is my IP address range.

Thanks for writing the book!


Before they split off into 2 apps? Data went to them, not the other way round.


I find it more interesting that they are crowdfunding unravelling the alleged crowdfunding scam.


I don't think that's the case. Their documentary is on crowdfunders, not scams. The unraveled the scam because of the documentary and being mentioned by Kobe Red (though the publicity certainly is helping)


The link at the bottom of the content is:

"Please consider backing us on Kickstarter so that we can share more this story and 99% of crowdfunding stories that will inspire you."

I do understand that the scam isn't the focus of the documentary, I just find it ironic financing a movie about crowdfunding through crowdfunding.


Just tried it, not impressed.

"give us your email, give us your email, give us your email" on the first page isn't very welcoming, it sounds desperate. I can wait a short while for a scan (I came for the scan, not to give you my email address - what are you going to do with it, by the way?)

The scan returns 3 vulnerabilities - I have to create an account to see them. Alright, it's a "security company" (even though I've never heard of it before), how bad can it get? I have good spam filters anyway, whatever.

After creating the account, I have to verify I am the owner (this is a good thing!). I choose the meta tag option - it's broken, and the error is at the top of the page, not at the bottom where I have clicked "Verify". The link in the error doesn't even work.

So, I upload the HTML file, and proceed to my report, where the 3 vulnerabilities have reduced to 1, a vague "Entrance scan". Impossible to see the contents, the only possible action is another scan. which returns 0 vulnerabilities, my website is safe.

Just before closing the page, I notice my email address at the top right, I see "My Account" there... and it's a good thing I've checked, because I've been signed up to 2 newsletters.


(Disclaimer: I'm a cofounder of Tinfoil)

Sorry about the experience you had! We only ask for your email address in the event that you leave the scan running and go away, so that we can email you a link to your report once the scan is finished.

We require verification before viewing any vulnerability data because we wouldn't want to show the vulnerabilities to someone who shouldn't have access. We'll take a look into the Meta tag issues you were having - normally that works great, but it's possible we messed something up.

The 3 vulnerabilities being reduced to 1 is /incredibly/ unusual, and we've never seen that before. Could you email me at borski@tinfoilsecurity.com with the URL or email associated with your account? I definitely want to look into this and fix it if there's an issue.

As for the two newsletters, you're more than welcome to unsubscribe. We think the information contained in those emails is actually very useful to anybody programming web applications, but we certainly understand that it is more useful for some than others. :)

TL;DR: Would love to fix the issues you ran into - please email me and we'll make it right. :)


The communication needs to improve at every step. I've just discovered that my one-off scan is actually a daily scan.

I admit that my intent was curiosity rather than something I actually need, however there are more things happening in the background than expected.


There is an option in the settings to load tabs automatically or when clicked on, upon browser restart.


Thank you!


No-go in Shanghai :-(


Yeah, I know. Anyone else at the HN meetup at Abbey Road? I'm thewhite guy with glasses, a beer, laptop and a receding hairline.


The next HN meetup will be held on February 21, after the Chinese New Year: http://shanghaihn.org/


Bollocks. I thought it was tonight. See you next month.


Subscribed you to the mail reminder so that you don't forget: see you there.


Is it possible to be subscribed as well?


You can subscribe to the newsletter at the bottom of the official page: http://shanghaihn.org (hopefully that words fine despite being a Github pages :) ).


Thanks! Are there any HN meet ups in Beijing?


It is usually the first Thursday of the month; last one was two weeks ago. We're having the next one a bit late because of the holidays.

See you in a month.


Anyone know if there's an organized HN meetup in Beijing?


Yea, there was one a little more than a year ago: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2502759

The guy organizing it doesn't seem to be around anymore, but could shoot him an email to check.


Definitely going. Living across the street!


I keep meaning to go, but never get round to it. Maybe when it gets a bit warmer!


edit your /etc/hosts file as it looks like it is only a dns-poison.


It means it feels ridiculously fast for websites inside the GFW.

speedtest.net results just run now (I'm in Shanghai, it's saturday morning, no VPN):

Shanghai-based server: ping 27ms, down 15.33Mbps, up 0.54Mbps

Beijing-based server: ping 31ms, down 17.49Mbps, up 0.55Mbps

London (UK)-based server: ping 270ms, down 6.17Mbps, up 0.56Mbps

I live in an older compound, my building has 12 floors, most of the others have 6, so this is not a new compound by any means, but we already have fiber, they're rolling it out gradually throughout the city.


> down 15.33Mbps, up 0.54Mbps

That doesn't seem that fast to me. I get better speeds out in the Midwest in America, where internet is supposed to be super shitty.

Particularly, I was expecting a symmetric connection.


This is actually pretty good for inside the GFW; keep in mind links are typically overloaded to the resource you are accessing, its not just about your final leg speed. So fiber really only fixes one part of the connection, Amdahl's law still applies.

Oddly enough, I actually sometimes find sites outside the GFW are a bit faster compared to some domestic Chinese sites inside the GFW. The internal Chinese internet just has lots of problems that they haven't worked through yet.


Correct. I added the day and time for reference, in the evenings during the week, the internet speed can be rated as "lol" in both directions.

w1ntermute, I'm fully aware those speeds are most definitely not fast, but relatively speaking it's usually worse than that.

(I love going to South Korea, I land at Incheon, there's free WiFi in the coach to the city, and the internet is FAST)


> keep in mind links are typically overloaded to the resource you are accessing, its not just about your final leg speed. So fiber really only fixes one part of the connection, Amdahl's law still applies.

Is the last mile not the bottleneck in China? It is in America, AFAIK.


Not when you are watching "Gangnam Style" on Youku. Anything video will be blocked in America anyways, so its Chinese sites only for that. It is true that I can't really do Apple to Apple comparisons.


> Not when you are watching "Gangnam Style" on Youku.

Why is this? Do the ISPs not have caching systems in place?


For streamed video? I don't even think that is possible. But please correct me if I'm wrong.


Of course it's possible: http://netequalizernews.com/2010/10/26/enhance-your-isp-offe...

> To ensure better performance, my Internet provider keeps a local copy of the popular YouTube content (caching), and when I watch a trending video, they send me the stream from their local cache. However, if I request a video that’s not contained in their current cache, I’m sent over the broader Internet to the actual YouTube content servers.

I have no doubt that the vast majority of American ISPs have cached Gangnam Style. In the US at least, Google/YouTube likely assists in this process.


True, that is quite good inside the GFW. As a comparison, I am in Beijing in an apartment from 2002, with a DSL connection that China Unicom sells as 4Mbps (the best I could buy here):

Beijing ping - 26ms down - 2.53Mbps up - 0.53Mbps

Shanghai ping - 148ms down - .83Mbps up - .52Mbps

London ping - 410ms down - .19Mbps up - .15Mbps


Try San Francisco. From Beijing there is usually a good connection to the west coast, better than to Europe.


Thanks, Sean. I was using London so my results would be comparable to the parent's.


It depends how much you pay. I'm in a city 180km from Shanghai and switched to optical fiber recently with no extra charge. I have a plan of 7Mpbs including TV and internet with price of around 200 dollars equivalent per year. They have 20Mpbs plan but the price is different. The internet connection is still 4Mbps as I tested. The TV is much better than before. In Canada I use cable service, with the same speed I pay 50 dollars per month.


It would be limited to the Chinese who have access to a VPN and can speak English, and have a social group of foreigners.

There are also alternative Chinese social networks where their friends are, and without the added chore of finding a VPN service which they can pay without a non-Chinese PayPal account or credit card.


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