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It’s easy to make the general public fearful of nuclear because they have no direct experience with it in daily life.

Right, because the general public has direct daily experience with... whaling?

Ask why it suddenly got so expensive and why delays were introduced. Hint, it happened more in some countries than others.

Hint, being snarky on HN is not as cool as you think.

Nuclear "became expensive" because state subsidies declined, labor costs increased, and environmental regulations across all industries tightened.


What kind of animal is going to dig through concrete and steel and also be hundreds of meters underground in solid rock?

Apparently the hypothetical future humanoids, somehow ignorant of all prior history, who will, ignoring all warning signs, start eating as much of the waste as fast as possible, then ignoring the obvious connection between eating that stuff and getting sick...

I wish I was kidding, but the argument does seem to be "what if 100_000 years from now somebody digs this stuff up and a few people get sick or die".

It's concern trolling at its worst.


Until we find the Rosetta stone hieroglyphs were unintelligible, and that language only stopped being used 2000 years ago.

I guess they won’t have Geiger counters in the future

We don't have a lot of technology that we knew existed in earlier civilisations - the Aztecs, Mayans, pueblo peoples, the Easter islanders, to name just a few were doing things we have no idea how to do

Neither concrete nor steel have the lifespans we're discussing thousands, or tens of thousands of years.

And. Bacteria.


When sealed several hundred meters underground in nonporous rock they do have such long lifespans. It's like observing that corn doesn't have a 10 year lifespan when left out on the counter and then objecting to canning it on that basis.

It's non porous right up until an earthquake or some movement of the area makes it not

So just to be clear the concern here is that something buried 2+ miles underground, in a secure container, encased along with other secure containers in a concrete vault, all homed in nonporous rock, in a geologically stable area, is suddenly going to be subjected to an earthquake, against all odds a fault is going to open right through the waste storage area, again against all odds groundwater will appear, the reinforced vault will be weathered to the point of failure (over what timespan I wonder?), and the resulting leak of radioactive material that is multiple miles underground will then somehow affect humans living, what, somewhere within a few hundred miles? Does that really sound like a reasonable scenario to you? Because as far as I'm concerned it's pure concern trolling.

So, just to be clear, you're demanding that I re-answer every concern that I've already addressed otherwise you're going to label me a troll

Sounds like abuse to me.


No? I don't see where you addressed these points in context? I am saying that I don't find what you're saying to be at all convincing but am of course open to reasoned debate if you think I've got something wrong. Being concerned about the scenario I outlined above truly seems absurd to me.

Do you see an obvious issue with the sequence of events I posed?


I do see you instantly reaching for threats of accusations, which i do view as abuse

Bye.


Like they said, if it’s properly stored and monitored it’s not going to harm anyone.

If you’re worried about some kind of societal collapse leading to it being abandoned, well in that case there are much bigger problems that are more immediately dangerous.


Do you know it will still be properly monitored in 100 years?

What about 1000?

How would you know if there are even people left who know what it is??

May be societal collapse isn't a problem. Maybe we're having a nice new beginning but someone finds some nice, warm stuff?


In 100 years: sure.

Unless we have civilizational collapse in which case a bit of nuclear waste will be the least of our problems.

It won't have to be monitored for a 1000 years. First, by that time the level of radioactivity is very low, and when it's in a deep-geological repository (like the ones we already use for vastly greater amounts of highly toxic chemicals that never decay) it is gone. We know enough about how geology works.


We know enough about how geology works.

We also know how a BLU-122 works. Can you be sure the US wouldn't use one on its allies in yet another moment of irrational tantrum? What about Russia?


How does the BLU-122 relate to a deep geological repository, in your esteemed opinion?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_geological_repository


It won't be "the least of our problems", it would be an additional problem.

The fuel and related will have to be monitored for 1000 years and more.

Yes, we know how geology works, which is why we have found a single place where it might be safe. ONE.


Being an additional problem is not a contradiction of it being the least of those problems.

No it won't.

That isn't true. There are lots of suitable places. The problems are purely political, not geological.

For example: "The Government Accountability Office stated that the closure was for political, not technical or safety reasons" -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yucca_Mountain_nuclear_waste_r...


Chat channels are the primary interface for selfhosted agents and the owner seems to have given this one a lot of leeway so why not?

I haven't seen "agent operators" going for IRC as their communication channel. It's always Telegram, or Discord.

It’s supported but not widely used.

Sounds as though they may be in China so the lesson is a bit more expensive.

Like DeFi but for agencies.

Why are you making it sound like speech needs to be qualified? The point of freedom of speech is that it doesn’t need to be approved by any authority.

Sounds more like a mealy mouthed argument against it.


Makes sense for the UK since if you post the same content as a citizen you could end up with the police at your door.

Not most of it - at least on Facebook where there is a LOT posted by people from South Asia and racist/extreme nationalist posters - far more than on Twitter the last time I compared my feeds. For one thing most of it on Facebook is dogwhistle racism not direct. A lot more does not meet the legal standards for creating records. Very little gets reported so no on investigates.

You "could" end up with police at your door, but even if reported most of these things do not meet the requirements for being recorded: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/non-crime-hate-in...


Windows has been pushing the same thing hard without much success.

Why do I care if AI is integrated into my OS when I can choose my preferred AI and it can use the OS directly?


This.

The other day I wrote up some notes for a presentation. Opened Google Slides, clicked the gemini button, pasted the notes in and asked it to make the slides. Nope; gemini can only modify a single slide at a time in Google Slides.

Pasted the same notes into claude, it wrote a pptx file, I imported that into Slides, job done.

Being integrated into the product doesn't always mean a better result.


Yeah!

Not being integrated can be an advantage because it gives you the freedom to think outside the box.

Meanwhile an AI engineer embedded into an incumbent slide app team has to ask permission and get cross functional alignment for every little feature. And deal with neckbeard tech leads lecturing them on what the right architecture is


That's progress, last time I tried that a month or something ago gemini (the web app) crashed when trying to generate slides.

Well I sure hope that the gemini developers don't have access to agentic development tools because they might read this comment, build the multi slide editing feature using 450M tokens and ship it yesterday removing that Claude edge forever.

I hate that I am defending apple here but Microslop has been pushing a garbage tacked on integration of AI into Windows. By all accounts of the last 20 years of Apple, they are much much better at integrating different services into one fluid system.

I guess, but I haven’t been thrilled by anything apple has released in a long time either. The status quo has just remained unchanged.

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