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"Free speech" means you have freedom from retribution from the government. It doesn't mean your fellow citizens need to stand there and listen to your shit, nor does it mean you are entitled to any sort of platform or megaphone. It means you can scream on the side of the road into the ether and you won't be arrested for it.


> "Free speech" means you have freedom from retribution from the government.

No, it doesn't. The concept of "free speech" isn't limited to prior restraint, you're mistaking it for the dominant precedent in judicial interpretations of the the 1st Amendment of the US constitution.

> It doesn't mean your fellow citizens need to stand there and listen to your shit,

Nobody asked you, or claimed this.

> nor does it mean you are entitled to any sort of platform or megaphone.

You should look up common carrier previsions. If we had to depend on your interpretation of law or morality, they'd be able to shut off your electricity for speech violations.

> It means you can scream on the side of the road into the ether and you won't be arrested for it.

If that's all it meant, it would be dumb and useless. What's more, it doesn't mean that, you can be arrested for screaming on the side of the road.

You're wrong in every way you could be wrong.


Read a history book kid.


I agree on all counts. But the Donald was banned for mostly on topic posts. Reddit is a private business and they can do what they want, but there's consequences to their actions too. reddit has become an echo chamber now.


So does getting infected over and over. Much worse damage. Evolution isn't some magic thing that gives you the most optimal creature for a given metric. The only metric is procreation. Not longevity. Not a pleasant life.


You rank Bluesky as a net negative for society and a rank what’s become ann alt-right propaganda service as diverse? Interesting. No thanks.


There are plenty of opinions on X. Are you just upset that there are diverse political opinions on there now?


The difference is diversity of opinions. There is none on Bluesky. Anybody can voice their opinion on Twitter/X. On Bluesky you'll be quickly shun by the entire community or straight out banned for not agreeing with specific partisan talking points, no need to list them, it's similar to reddit editorial policies. If you deem Twitter an extremist social media, then Bluesky is even worse,as it just only allows one sort of extremism, one kind of ideology.


I agree with GP. Twitter does have diverse viewpoints across progressive, centrist, and right wing voices. I abhor the alt-right stuff, and it is more widespread now under new ownership. However BlueSky is exclusively urban lefties. It's not diverse


I really don't think advertisers will ever embrace bsky. No one wants their brand under communist scrutiny all the time, one step away from another "cancellation." They will definitely return to X.


Mastodon doesn’t give you any real privacy. If I’m posting on something twitter like I want as much reach as possible. Sorry bud, we’re not actually all dumb naive people who haven’t seen the light.


Unfair characterization. You can make informed prediction about these 2nd order effects without thinking they are dumb. I don't think people who send nudes with Snapchat behaving as if they will be definitely deleted are dumb either because, you know, the heart wants what it wants.

That doesn't mean that there is no danger of people having "buyer's" regret later, or more importantly that there are issues beyond the individuals.


How are these suggestions not pragmatic? You don't have to use them, but if you need them they are there. From a security point of view I can see many of these being incredibly useful.


No, that's not how it works. See for example async: I don't need it (and indeed hate working with it, because colored functions are incredibly unpleasant to work with). But a huge swath of libraries in the ecosystem are designed with the assumption that you will use it. If the language adds more features like the article is proposing, it will most likely balkanize the crate ecosystem even further. This stuff does affect people even if they never use the features in question.


If it slows down Rust development it's not pragmatic. And if it creates a cultural schism between full commitment and pragmatic approaches, it's also trouble. Remember Scala?


>If it slows down Rust development it's not pragmatic.

I truly don't understand. If you don't want rust to become complex, you don't want it to "develop" fast anyways. Unless you mean you think it will be slower to write code?

> And if it creates a cultural schism between full commitment and pragmatic approaches, it's also trouble.

Zero clue what this is supposed to mean. WTF is "full commitment" here?

> Remember Scala?

Scala, haskell, and others are high level languages in "academic terms." They have high levels of abstraction. The proposals are the opposite of high level abstractions, they instead formalize very important low level properties of code. If anything they decrease abstraction.


Rust is nowhere near the complexity of Scala wrt. seemingly arbitrary high-level features. There's a low-level, systems programming featureset that involves quite a bit of complexity but that's also less arbitrary when comparing across similarly low-level languages.


What do people even expect from these intelligence services? Apple is always said to have failed, yet I've seen nothing in Windows that I'd actually want to use WRT to intelligence services.

Siri being better at free form requests for actions and doing internet/knowledge searches is about all I can think of. But also, I use Kagi for that, and unless Siri has a pluggable backend for search I'm not sure being forced to use only Apple's search, if it ever exists, is a great design.


There are many products without ad-free versions (including tvs now lol). Streaming services are starting to go this way too.


It's still not consistent. OpenAI made a statement that simply isn't true. They agree to all lawful use, INCLUDING using it to deploy weapons as long as it's legal. It happens to not be legal at the moment, but that doesn't mean it can't be changed and authorized.


That's a fair point, and I'm not so much defending sama's statements after the fact but rather trying to rationalize the OpenAI position.


Rationalize the OpenAI position? Sam Altman gets money from DoD. He has no morals. He doesn't care if people die because of his product. It's not hard.


OpenAI and sama are literally sauing they are fine with facilitating (and even performing) any scale of killing and surveillance as long as they're not held accountable.


For now. US science is still in decline. Major works by places like Moderna have been denied permission to continue, for example. You can't assume that funding will not continue to decrease at a rapid rate in the US.


Even if it continues, there's been a huge amount of reputational damage done and no political will to do what must be done to reverse that damage.


This kind of analysis isn't much better. First, many countries are increasing funding substantially (e.g. [1]).

Secondly, it's about more than funding. The US is also no longer safe for a great many of the scientists that would normally choose come to the US to work. And even for those that aren't too worried about ICE, scientists tend to be very liberal and value freedom and democracy a great deal. The US has suddenly become a very undesirable place to live if you value these things.

Third, scientific freedom is under attack in the US. And there is nothing scientists value more than the freedom to pursue their research.

My take is that most Americans can't imagine a world where they are not number one. But that is a very naive idea.

[1] https://www.canada.ca/en/innovation-science-economic-develop...


While I echo some of your points, [1] is bad example (as a Canadian).

Research money in Canada is harder to come by; a basic research grant is roughly ~5x-10x lower than a comparable American grant (students are cheaper here, so its not completely proportional, but equipment, travel, etc doesn't scale).

The example for money for poaching international researchers also comes with the asterisk that while they found ~$2B for this, they also are cutting the base funding of the federal granting agencies by a few percent at the same time, atop of that funding being anemic for decades at this point. A big "fuck you" to the Canadian research community in my opinion.


> many countries are increasing funding substantially (e.g. [1]).

This illustrates exactly my point. Canada is planning on spending up to CAD$1.7B over 12 years. That is equivalent to USD$100M per year, or 0.3% of the NIH 2026 budget. Maybe if Europe does something similar they can get to 2%!

> The US is also no longer safe

I agree that Trump's regime has made the US a less welcoming place for foreign scientists, and that budget cuts mean less research will be done. What I disagree with is the idea that "brain drain" is a significant threat to US science. We simply have such an incredible oversupply of biomed PhDs that we should welcome the prospect of other countries absorbing the supply.


Horizon Europe is a €93.5 billion budget over seven years for scientific research. The EU allocated an additional €500 million from 2025-2027 to attract foreign researchers specifically.


Horizon Europe funds everything — physics, engineering, social sciences, climate, agriculture, digital technology, space, and health. And its budget is still less than 1/3rd of the US NIH budget focused solely on health.


Maybe, but money goes much farther in Europe than in the US. The cost of living is much lower, so you don't need to pay people so much.


Low European salaries are other reason why brain drain fears are overblown.


it's all about funding. for every 1 person nervous about intellectual safety in the US, there are 50–100 waiting to fill that spot, if not 1,000–10,000. Funding has been cut in academia, and less positions are available as a result. No country is remarkably filling this gap, aside from a hilariously few more availabilities and some more graduate student positions (who operate as the scientific labor in Europe and other countries, before graduating and having to come to the US for job opportunity).

As others have pointed out, presumably the outcome is that higher value scientists are favored, and higher impact research is demanded. When industry demands certain research, the funding appears because private entities will fund those positions and those grants. The widespread funding of all avenues of science is a great feature of American intellectual culture and hopefully it doesn't vanish. But it was a remarkably uneconomical arrangement and a total aberration of history, so I wouldn't hold my breath about it sticking around through the tides of history, it was more of a fluke, and many in academia wishing to regenerate that fluke are a bit delusional and a bit tied to the idea of a golden era like the boomers dreaming of the 1950s suburbs. A great deal of research is important science, but totally worthless for the foreseeable future on an economic basis. We might not yet conceive of why this research does have economic value, but it's so abstracted that as it stands, the value isn't tangible and it's thus impossible to defend reasonably.

Scientific freedom doesn't mean the freedom to expect a subsidized career on the basis of non-lucrative research. It's more of a privilege to have such a lifestyle that is downstream of a wealthy empire. Since America is going bankrupt, the dollar-reaper is coming for the superfluous. So, there goes your funding for conure breeding or the health benefits of community gardens and expect more stability if you're researching crop diseases or livestock vector research.


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Why do you feel scientists deserve to be punished for being against a political regime that is anti-science?


77,302,580 people voted for Trump in 2024. That is not "half the country".

Nor does he or ever did have the support of "(over) half the country". His maximum approval level in 2025 was at the beginning of his term at 47% "approve" and is currently around 36%, according to the Gallup poll.


Trump won the popular vote 49.9% vs 48.5% for Harris. It doesn’t automatically translate to half the country.

The popular vote does not matter in the US. The electoral college matters.


It kinda does matter because it shows more than half the US are truly sick of the current batch of US politicians and aren't enthused enough to vote for their schtick.


Trump didn't even win 50% of the people who voted. He got the most votes (a plurality), but ~1.5% of the votes went to third party candidates, slightly more than the gap between Harris and Trump voters. One of the many reasons this "we have a huge mandate to reshape the country in the image of Project 2025" line is so infuriating; you have to go back to 1968 to find an election with a smaller non-negative popular vote margin of victory.

(Also, "non-negative" is carrying a lot of weight, since both Trump in his first term and George W. Bush in his first lost the popular vote. The idea that a wide majority of the country is conservative, let alone MAGA, is risible.)


It's over half the electorate. Stop changing the standards for democracy and holding the current ex-wrestling valet and game show host to standards than literally no one has been held to in history. It's a desperate, dishonest way to cover up the failure of the opposition to be any better.


No, it was under half the electorate too (27% of the electorate didn't vote after all).

It was under half of the voters in the election itself as well. He won with a plurality, not a majority.


There's a huge difference between "definitely won the election" and "a massive mandate for sweeping change".


An electorate is only as good as the information it uses to make the choice. Fewer than 10% of Americans both stated they routinely read a newspaper (in print or online) yet still walked into a voting booth in 2024 and voted for Trump.


I’m not saying he shouldn’t have won, we have the system we have, but to then act like he’s got a mandate is unjustifiable.


> scientists tend to be very liberal and value freedom and democracy a great deal

What is the alternative? Canada and Europe don't even have free speech.


This is, de facto, not really a differentiator any more. Only one of the countries in question asks to see my social media profiles at the border to make sure I'm ideologically appropriate.


> don't even have free speech

Only in ways that don't matter to scientists. Not many of them denying the holocaust.


...not sure if you're being sarcastic.


>scientists tend to be very liberal and value freedom and democracy a great deal

two election results in the past ten years have apparently failed to teach y'all wholesome folx that many people around you are secretly unwholesome.


My neighbours may be turds, but I can get over it... Up until the point when they start pissing in my punch bowl.


What do you recommend


I've heard more than 0 people complaining that it's not safe, but not a whole lot. And not the productive people either. Also, unfortunately the same opinions that get you in trouble in the US will get you in trouble in western Europe. I'm not saying it's right, just that it doesn't seem to be actually draining brains.


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