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I think there's a piece that some people are overlooking. There are very specific statutory protections about when, where, and how you have a right to organize.

Things that would likely require legal review and Google has the budget to test the waters of at this point.

The last clause in the link below pertains to this scenario, I think, which may bite Google. Or it may not because it all depends on case law and what union leadership is willing to push back on (which could take years to sort out via legal proceedings)

Really, at the end of the day all Google has to risk via this kind of behavior is some lawyer time, setting precedent, and potentially being required to post a notice if they end up losing.

Source: https://www.nlrb.gov/rights-we-protect/whats-law/employees/i...

> Working time is for work, so your employer may maintain and enforce non-discriminatory rules limiting solicitation and distribution, except that your employer cannot prohibit you from talking about or soliciting for a union during non-work time, such as before or after work or during break times; or from distributing union literature during non-work time, in non-work areas, such as parking lots or break rooms. Also, restrictions on your efforts to communicate with co-workers cannot be discriminatory. For example, your employer cannot prohibit you from talking about the union during working time if it permits you to talk about other non-work-related matters during working time.


Agreed, but it's pretty clear this was a legacy app that for reasons unknown, wasn't worth a rewrite.


Wouldn't this be a transformation or an independent work of sorts? If I drew a sketch of the same bust, wouldn't I have the copyright to my sketch?

I don't see why the 3d scan wouldn't be considered similar.


If you drew a sketch that you felt was the ultimate best sketch possible, and without seeing your sketch i drew a sketch of the same subject that i felt was the best sketch possible, we'd come up with two completely different sketches that were each our own interpretation of the original work.

If you took a 3D scan, and i took a 3D scan of the same subject, barring either of us making a mistake, we'd both come up with exactly the same final result.

3D scanning is not the creation of an original work, it's a reproduction. Claiming copyright on a 3D scan is just as crazy as claiming copyright on any other reproduction. I can't rip a DVD and then claim that my ripped MKV file is an original work that i own the copyright to.


The two scans would only be identical if you were using the same equipment with the same algorithms. I don't see it as the same as copying a DVD.


A rip of a DVD is also only identical if you're using the same equipment and the same algorithm. XviD and x264 produce different compression artifacts, but they're still making a reproduction rather than a creative work.


without using a 3d scanner, i can take very precise measurements by hand with a result that rivals the scan. so in that case it becomes a question of resolution or fidelity. the question is, how accurate does a reproduction need to be to violate copyright?


> without using a 3d scanner, i can take very precise measurements by hand

Ignoring the practical part of this, which is that the Museum isn't going to let you close enough to the bust to do this. But assuming they did for a second -

> with a result that rivals the scan

The linked scan contains nearly 6.5 million tesselated polygons, and surface color data in Ptex format. You are not going to be able to get within cooee of that. Any hand measured copy is going to qualify as an artists interpretation and would not violate copyright I should think.


of course. it's a thought experiment. theoretically given enough time and extremely precise instruments it would be possible to get measurements close enough. so the question remains- is this really an issue of "artistic interpretation" or just accuracy?


As I posted elsewhere, I think I have a philosophical issue with the idea that you can undo or reverse the creative process through creating an additional derivative work.

Say you take a lot of photographs of an object, and they are stipulated to be creative. Then you can use photogrammetry to derive a 3D model. So if the direct antecedent of your work was creative, how can your model be noncreative?


If I take one of those photos and I use a color picker on the first pixel, and I obtain the value #55A3FF and I write it down, is that value a creative work due to originating from those pictures?

Photogrammetry generally disregards essential components of what makes a photograph a creative work.


My question is, if it's not a creative work, does it violate the copyright of the owner of the object photographed, if the photo was a legitimate creative work?


I'm not saying it wouldn't be copyrightable, but I can see how it wouldn't be. It's not transformative, in fact the idea is to get as close to a replica as possible. It could easily be described as utilitarian until it's modified, a description of facts like news, the phone book, or recipes. But let's say it's copyrightable, are we saying that the digital representation of the object is under copyright, or that specific file? That's how fonts work, the shape of the characters are not copyright protected, but the actual font file is, so I can go a recreate a font as long as I re-write it myself (and obviously don't wind up with identical file output in the end).

It's a n interesting subject, personally.


If the 3d scan involved any creative input then it would also be protected. The sketch is understood to have your creative input applied to what you observed.

Consider maps: just accurately capture reality isn't copyrightable, if they have anything that was a creative decision then they do.

Maybe ironically the design and placement of the creative commons false inlay could be make the overall model copyrightable even if just the head part wasn't.


If I don't do business in Turkey, and I pay for the clicks, I should easily be able to exclude Turkey (without having to write a blog post and consult an inside source that most could never reach)


There was an HN article recently linked that talked about one of those religious based charities. They hired the women on as house cleaners, paid minimum wage, deducted room and board. The poor matriarch of the program had to "deal" with the profits from the cheap labor and fund raising.

One could make the same argent about mill or mining work. Maybe even the military? I don't think the adult entertainment industry averages 22 suicides a day.

But those professions are OK because they're reputable?


Two of my last 3 positions have been a recruiter reaching out to me via LinkedIn.

75% of my attempts to find my own via job applications result in no response (your stats are better than mine), with zero feedback at one point or another (ghosting).

If you're not using recruiters, you should be. The discussion you get let's you sell yourself a little better than you can with a paper application only, and they often have additional info you won't find in the job descriptions


When you move to a new country with the intent to reside and don't follow the law in regards to entry, you're an illegal immigrant.

It doesn't matter that you were allowed in legally; per the law he was expected to depart and he did not.


Does that still apply even if they're not a Canadian citizen, and not in Canada legally?

I'd think there would be a point where they might say "not my problem, not getting involved"


Exactly. The article doesn't clarify whether the prints matched multiple people, or the man had given false names and info to multiple countries/systems which might never have been cross-referenced before

One could give false info to Border Patrol and county or state police here in the US and not be caught in certain circumstances. Especially if we're talking about encounters going back a few years or more.

Needs more info


I'm not sure if I think personalization would fix it. When I was on Facebook, I received one or two MLM offers. If Reddit is to be believed, this is actually a prevalent practice.

You'd go from anonymous reviews to seeing which of your "friends" are more interested in a shitty side hustle (e.g. there would still be.the kind of gaming noted in the article)


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