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*anti untested vaccines - people should be skeptical of untested vaccines, just like peptides.

Which untested vaccines are regularly given to patients?

He means the COVID vaccine but knows people will make fun of him if he says what he actually believes so he's playing pretend like there is some plague of untested vaccines being used instead of there being one fast tracked vaccine deployed in response to a massive pandemic

Indeed, but that’s not the point: many anti-vaxxers are against all vaccines, irrespective of how they were tested. (And will argue against e.g. the FRA approvals.)

But you confuse that set of people with people who don’t know want to inject untested vaccines into their body.

(I don’t)

I’m genuinely not aware of a DIY or grey market in vaccines. Peptides, yes, but vaccines?

In the absence of this, I suspect you’re either confused or straw-manning…


I was referring to the MRNA vaccines, which were relatively untested when released to the public. Suspicion of that is very reasonable.

Okay; noting that the argument has moved from "untested" to "relatively untested".

To clarify, is your concern the inadequacy of the approval process FDA uses for (all) vaccines (noting that many vaccines --e.g. influenza-- are refreshed on a fairly regular basis to account for new strains of viruses) or something specific to approval of the MRNA vaccines?

Or is it that MRNA vaccines were a new approach for vaccines more generally, and so there wasn't/isn't the same long-term data that there was/is for multiple generations of vaccines based on older technologies (viral vector, toxoid, etc.)?


Untested is always relative. And the second, but what’s your point?

> Untested is always relative.

I disagree; "untested" is a very definitive statement. Not tested. Especially when it's in a thread discussing people using all manner of less tested or sometimes literally untested peptides. (Hence my initial thought that maybe you were aware of people taking a DIY route that I wasn't.)

Anyway, when discussing a subject so popularly controversial as vaccines, it's probably better to be precise.

> And the second, but what’s your point?

I wanted to understand your perspective.


How?

Good


Who determines what is "waste" ?


People who live in glass houses, and black kettles.


The same people who determine what actions are “crime”, who gets to be “married”, what’s “pollution”, and so on. (See? The scare quotes apply to literally everything in society.)

In a typical democracy, those people are legislators, courts, and government agencies tasked with oversight.


I guess dictionary is a good start.

> noun 1. an act or instance of using or expending something carelessly, extravagantly, or to no purpose.


None of your business.


This is false.


qBittorrent is much better


Though I use Transmission on my NAS4Free box, which I control remotely through the excellent transgui program (https://github.com/transmission-remote-gui/transgui) I also install qBittorrent to all Windows/Linux users asking for a client for it being very stable and consistent among platforms, the latter very important for newbies, but I see now they're porting Transmission to Windows as well. Good!

I don't consider closed source clients for security reasons, or bloated ones (Vuze etc.) because I'd rather use a spare GB of RAM to make a filesystem more snappy than to load a Java environment that eats alone half the resources of a small server.


Last I heard, Deluge was the preferred minimalist client. I've never noticed much difference between the ones I've tried other than that some have ads. Performance seems to be pretty much the same across the board.


I wouldn't called Deluge minimalist - that's Transmission.

Deluge is more of a power-tool, albeit one most people can use happily.

The big thing that I like is that you can use the desktop GUI (GTK) client with a remote daemon doing the actual downloading. Plenty of them have web-clients (Deluge does as well), but it's nice using the proper GUI. Other than that, it has all of the usual tools you'd want from a client.


Transmission is betterst


rTorrent + tmux is my poison


I used to use Transmission, but I gave up on it because of UI/settings issues. I've since switched to KTorrent.


Transmission is great but they lost a lot of trust when they started distributing malware from their website.


That's a very disingenuous phrasing. They were hacked. Maybe (probably) due to bad security practices, but they didn't intentionally distribute malware.


You’re right. I’d edit my comment, but it looks like I can’t anymore.


link? Because the only time I can think of is when their website got hacked and the developers sent out notice as soon as they found out.


That’s it. As a sibling comment mentioned, I did not phrase that well.


And twice at that.


qBittorrent is much better


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