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It’s a bit crazy that the elderly are blocking data center buildouts while they also expect to collect a big chunk of everyone’s payroll. Pick your lane.

Like, what did “the elderly” ever do for us? Aside from literally creating the civilization around us, and the infrastructure necessary to support it? Seems perfectly reasonable to expect reward for that, rather than pollution and increased energy costs.

> increased energy costs

Perhaps local gov that gets the gift of datacenter (aka hundreds of millions in taxes) should subsidize residents rooftop solar installations by a slight bit. Sounds like a fair deal to every party involved.


None of that justifies the level of government checks they receive

The federal government has become a machine to transfer the income of working people to boomers

How much goes to retirees vs low income people?

it goes to everyone (in varying amounts) who paid payroll tax when they turn 65. They get free health insurance too (Medicare).

poor people getting Medicaid are like 20% of the population of most states.

essentially we are promising everyone who turns 65 to get ~$800k in benefits, and this is simply not affordable.


Uhh dentists doctors and EEs are low effort jobs?

Yes? Insofar as a career path. You go to a good school, get a good degree and be almost guaranteed a good pay with known career progression. It's not like entrepreneurship, where you can't see the path ahead of you. Think video games, much easier to play when the goals are given to you than to make your own.

You just described a bunch of hard and continuous work, and oversell the "almost guaranteed" part. Nothing is guaranteed in life, except death and taxes. Entrepreneurship can be harder or easier than working for someone else. Some entrepreneurs just show up with a bunch of money and hire other people to do the bulk of the work. That's a different kind of stress.

I won't undersell the efforts professionals need to acquire their skills, but I also stand by my view that a clearly defined progression makes life a lot easier to navigate. It's why quests are fundamental in RPGs and uncertainty is bad for business. When you can see the path ahead, the problems that need to be solved are clear. It's why research is so painstakingly slow when we are treading on unknown unknowns.

As for those who showed up and everything worked out, consider them lucky, though I doubt there are many of them out there.


Entrepeneurship is not a career path.

seriously. I don't see how CS is low effort either, maybe they mean physically low effort.

> I don't see how CS is low effort either, maybe they mean physically low effort.

It's pretty common in the us to sell software engineering-centric courses (bachelors) for computer science courses.

software engineering is a thing, computer science is something else.

actual computer science is not trivial at all. the math gets hard.

software engineering on the other hand is way more shallow in this sense... rightfully so, don't get me wrong.


Software engineering is not necessarily shallow in any sense. Reasoning about large and imperfect systems can be so much harder than finding average publishable CS results. But the difficulties are often so particular to the software and situations that it isn't of interest to academics.

> Software engineering is not necessarily shallow in any sense.

I should have been clearer in my writing. What i meant to say is that the math involved in pure software engineering is much more shallow than the math involved in pure computer science.

> Reasoning about large and imperfect systems can be so much harder than finding average publishable CS results.

x doubt...


>x doubt...

Ah so you are an academic. I have been in both places. Industry people have to not only think of ideas but implement them with real computers. In some cases the computers must be built specifically to solve the problems. Millions of lines of code, broken shit, backward compatibility, stuff that can only be found through years of use. I suppose one can try to make an academic problem out of any industry concern, and therefore appear to be "more sophisticated" but inferior, partial, and broken proposals are regularly published. To get published, even a sketch of a possible solution with no implementation often flies. In industry, a lot of inferior stuff is accepted out of necessity, but it's often do or die with deadlines and real budgets to be concerned about.


I’m not an academic and i’ve worked in any size of companies so far. From mid-sized (50) developers to FAANG-sized.

Most software engineering is not math-heavy at all nowadays.


Yeah but the upside is that the elderly got to keep most of the federal tax revenue

i don't think this has much to do with the elderly

It certainly does.

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2024/04/09/age-generati...

    > About two-thirds of voters ages 18 to 24 (66%) associate with the Democratic Party, compared with 34% who align with the GOP.
    > About six-in-ten voters 80 and older (58%) identify with or lean toward the GOP, while 39% associate with the Democratic Party.
https://usafacts.org/articles/how-many-americans-vote-and-ho...

    > How does voting behavior differ by age?
    > In 2024, 47.7% of citizens between the ages of 18 and 24 voted, compared to 60.2% of 25- to 44-year-olds, 70.0% of 45- to 64-year-olds, and 74.7% of people 65 and older.
Older voters have higher turnout and skew heavily Republican.

Older voters didn't vote for war with Iran. Some will go along with the president for tribal reasons and what's left of american patriotism.

Defining things generationally is unnecessarily divisive: the people who have been relentlessly pushing for war with iran have names and addresses and have been doing so for 30 years.


I don't think you can not address it "generationally" The people who voted are absolutely getting what they voted for. None of this was not predicted before and during the election. I remember reading years ago that Trump wanted his second term to do the wanton things he couldn't before (like bludgeoning countries with the military). It was all out there.

It's past time to stop blaming a few warhawks "over there" Voters did this. Voters need to fix it


Trump ran on ending the war in ukraine in "a week" and never said anything about war with iran during his campaign.

The voters didn't and don't do shit: elites pick the two candidates, pay them both a bunch of money, buy congress and push through what they want. If Kamala were elected we'd be at war with iran just the same.

Stop blaming normies who have no power for what PNAC, etc have been pushing for for decades with real money.


HN has become much dumber as X became less censured.

Fine you can make do in the Congo with everyone else who disrespects borders

Are you proposing we send undocumented migrants to the Congo? That’s a terrible idea!

"But like people who are good with computers, the models want a terminal, not some candy ass iPad UI."

Giving functionally illiterate people computers with GUIs should be regarded as a mistake.


A society/country that produces functionally illiterate adults should be regarded as a mistake.


At some point you were part of that group that you are labeling a mistake. At another point, your children are or will be if you have any. Locking all of these productivity tools in one generation is a recipe for failure. You should think outside the box that you are currently trapped in.


nope, I learned how to compute on the DOS command line


Same here. It's been a while.


DOS still works


Yes it does. So does my old HP-11C calculator I used to write the first programs, in RPN for oil well log analysis, that I ever wrote outside of a class assignment.

All of those routines were reprogrammed originally in a flavor of BASIC and it soon became obvious that ASCII log displays from digitized published materials were marginally useful as interpretation tools. Tabular data was far too dense. We needed pictures. Therefore we chased graphical methods of displaying data leading us to C and then C++ for the graphical routines that made it easy to display all of the data from an oil well log and to scroll the logs while zooming in and out.

We started all that in some flavor of DOS and as time went by and everyone dumped their latest OS incarnation, we moved thru MS-DOS, PC-DOS, DR-DOS, etc until MS finally got with the GUI environment plan like Apple's Mac and produced a near worthless GUI called Win386 and later Win95. For a time it was fun.

Linux, the old new kid on the block, still works great from the command line too. The GUI exists to streamline some of the things that are more easily digested in graphical formats. It has nothing to do with anyone's intelligence or ability to pick up skills they don't have today.


It’s not wild. Anyone with brains would think it is irresponsible to keep your secret token for publishing public release binaries accessible in your automation.


apparently PyPI supports "digital attestation" (signed binaries?) Was this package signed? https://docs.pypi.org/trusted-publishers/


ok but I'm willing to have occasionally poisoned water in exchange for an industrial society


You know you can have clean water and industrial society, right?


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