Not much, as it only works on very few high end phones not sold in most countries. Hopefully their Motorola partnership will expand its availability but I'm not confident that'll happen anytime soon.
Sadly forget about it - GrapheneOS will only work on Motorola __flagship__ devices, and most of their budget phones are not even made by Motorola, but rather by the odm such as Tinno, where it's not even possible to unlock the bootloader without exploits.
Ideally yes, otherwise any other AOSP-based ROM. There are many, and they support far more devices than Graphene, though implementations of e.g. Google Play services is more hacky.
You can’t use stuff like banking apps on a modified device and losing access to normal android devices would be a big blow to the momentum of the F-Droid community. GrapheneOS might not be a big enough community to sustain work on the projects delivered by F-Droid.
I know this isn't the case with all banks, but for whatever my anecdata is worth I've been using a number of banking apps on mine for years, so it's incorrect to say that banking apps can't be used.
>You can’t use stuff like banking apps on a modified device
IME such apps are few and far between. The most trouble I ran into is play store refusing to show apps because they claim the app isn't compatible with the device, but that can be worked around with aurora store.
I think parent is talking about Play Integrity being integrated into banking apps. It's a hit or miss depending on the bank, some will be fine without, some with integrate it but not rely on it to directly refuse login, some will require a lower integrity level, and some will actually require the highest integrity level leading to issues on custom ROMs.
They really aren't. The number of apps requiring Play Integrity grows every day, my own bank's app hasn't worked in years and I've long given up on it, I just use it on a second stock device now.
And Google has an answer to the "just install the APK from somewhere else" workaround, too. Many apps now integrate a check that prevents them from running if they're not properly linked to the Play Store.
Depends highly on the bank and what part of the world you're in. Some banks have only a website and no app. Some banks have only an app and no website. Some require an app to access the website. The landscape is widely varied.
Don't know what the landscape is like in the US, but here in Europe, many banks require the app for any sort of online payment. There is no alternative. If your phone isn't stock, you're screwed.
My Android is running Lineage without Google Play Services (no microg either).
I had an app that I needed to use, and the only available log-in method was via firebase's SMS. Firebase flat out refused to allow me to login because of Google Play Integrity, and there was no web only option.
I wonder then if the workaround for THAT (losing access to Banking / "Google trust-deriving apps") is to get a second device, wifi-only no-SIM G-Android.
Cumbersome, but any other deterring reasons why "not a good workaround"?
> losing access to normal android devices would be a big blow to the momentum of the F-Droid community.
For me it seems the opposite - if these "normal" (GMS spyware) Android devices lose the access to F-Droid and it will only be possible to install malware/adware from Google Play, then maybe that will push more people to value unlocking the bootloader..
I've found the best way for me to wield it is the tool to build tools. I would have never in a million years been able to code. But I've used it to replace things I was paying hefty monthly subscriptions for....
So I'm not actually being more productive, but I've cut my costs significantly to do the same things I could do before.
I thought I would do this, but of all the vibe coded tools I've built, I think I still use...one. The rest are just not worth the upkeep relative to the utility, or are either broken functionally or in their UX and I can't be arsed to put the effort into making them good. Which brings up why these tools didn't really exist in the first place.
Of course ymmv, and if you find yourself paying subscriptions for stuff you can replace with vibe coded apps, all power to you.
Wow that's a crazy story. That is some crackhead level marketing for something you have never done or proven.
"But he had no experience developing affordable housing, and neither did anyone else at Prestige. Burtis acknowledged the inexperience but said he planned to partner with developers who would secure financing and hire his company to handle construction"
I just encountered this exact pattern. I recently created a new app...recieved an email from what seemed to be a promenant app reviewer on YouTube [youtubersname]corporation@gmail. I said how do I know you are him? Then the weird part was somehow he was able to send me a email from the actual YouTubers public listed email but it went to my spam folder... Then after he told me everything that would be included in the price he said he could only accept payment in giftcards or crypto.
I emailed the YouTuber and told him I think your account is compromised.
People are going to skip the need for a software engineer entirely and become their own software engineer. 200/month was steep when we were unsure the agents can deliver shipable code but there is no way it's going to stay that low now that we know it works. I think it's probably worth way more than that.
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