>People have been trained to tap through those prompts without really reading them, and it’s unreasonable to expect a less technical user to know what the implications of granting a permission are.
Can you please explain why there is no big push from the Google and Apple to remove microphone and camera access from the browsers? You claim that most users are "less skilled" and will allow anything , so for the grater good why not pushing to remove microphone, camera and file upload permissions? Why do we trust this users with reading a popup for permissions ?
Or maybe if the popups are not clear or good enough maybe is not the users fault ?
That’s just advocating for the same thing, OS makers removing users abilities to do things they want with their devices. Pretty much everyone in this comment section that is advocating against what Google is doing would advocate against that as well.
I do not see this Apple fanboys asking Apple to remove the camera and microphone features in their OSX operating system. They have many stories about grandma getting tricked to sideload soem evil app from Facebook but somehow same grandma does never get tricked to share her microphone, camera or screen. So I concluded that it is all their minds creating a narative to feel better about them getting screwed by Apple (we all have this problem where we invent some reason to justify some decision we did but in this case is a big mob)
> Our research [1] finds that users often make rational decisions on the most used capabilities on the web today — notifications, geolocation, camera, and microphone. All of them have in common that there is little uncertainty about how these capabilities can be abused. In user interviews, we find that people have clear understanding of abuse potentials: notifications can be very annoying; geolocation can be used to track where one was and thus make more money off ads; and camera and microphone can be obviously used to spy on one’s life. Even though there might be even worse abuse scenarios, users aren't entirely clueless what could possibly go wrong.
>I would. Appetite for censorship should be measured against something I find unpalatable.
In your country if say some public TV would publish hard core porn mid day for children to see, would there be consequences? like fines and license removal? I am sure in civilized countries that TV station will be punished.
Now imagine you have a Ruzzian TV station publishing hard core porn for children to see, how to you punsish them without paid trolls claiming censorship ? Because this si what happens, in Romania Romanian TV station need to respect the Romanian laws , liek for example pay fines and retract any falsehoods and mistakes, but Ruzzians can publish fake documents and videos and if we want them to respect the laws of our countries we it is censorship... blocking faked documents is bad, blocking boobs is good in the land of the free
> In your country if say some public TV would publish hard core porn mid day for children to see, would there be consequences? like fines and license removal? I am sure in civilized countries that TV station will be punished
rt hasn't done this and there are concrete laws against doing this, if rt violated them, they would/should fined/suspended, it's really that simple, do you have any real examples of illegal things they've carried out?
and if you're implying that extrajudicial measures are the only effective method to deal w/ situations like these, then there's an issue w/ the laws
just because censorship is carried out against a cause you don't like, doesn't make it justified, since it's very likely to be used in less benevolent ways in the future
It is similar to the problem of pornography online.
If you are a parent, it is your responsibility to watch your kids and install a porn filter on their computer / tv / phones. It is pointless to have websites to verify that you are old enough, as there always be websites from abroad who will not respect the law, and it forces you to leak your identity (who becomes tied to your IP address).
If you are not happy with propaganda, it is your role and the role of schools to educate people around about how to consume information and look with a critical view.
Propaganda affects everyone, not just kids. It even affects people with university studies but who have given up thinking for themselves. The problem is that they authorities are banning websites, while social media is riddled with propaganda. They claim to do something which clearly doesn't work.
The Internet used to be cool in the '90 when it wasn't regulated and Meta, Google and Tiktok didn't exist. Now it's all ads, propaganda and hate speech.
Just think about this (which is not 100% correct, but for the sake of discussion): it's probably not meta, google and tiktok. It's the internet peoples who are the source of all that. It's peoples who say hate, who push for ideas they believe in, and they also (surprise!) publish ads! (While google et cetera are just a medium, with lots of moderation, yep.).
It's really the bots and algorithms are the source of all of that, promoting somebody's agenda. Now AI too. Remember, Tay the Microsoft bot that they put on Twitter and it became nazi the next day? It's that multiplied by the number of stars in the visible universe.
The only safer places are heavily moderated hobby related forums with actual people. Anti vaxxing is not a hobby btw.
>If you are not happy with propaganda, it is your role and the role of schools to educate people around about how to consume information and look with a critical view.
This is as pointless as saying that is my role as a consumer to test the food that I buy to ensure it is not contaminated with shit, so instead of punishing the companies that have contaminated food we should allow them to sell if even if we know it contains literal shit and instead teach our children in school how to use equipment to test the food.
Sorry for the Ruzzian puppets but soem countries are not retarded and they decided to block the toxic food today and not ignore the victims, as I said in the original comments we have laws and the fact that you are from Ruzzia should not put you above our laws, RT shoudl stay banned until they open a local branch where we can apply the fine to them equaly as we apply to our own media.
Also there are a lot of Ruzzian money wasted on social media to spread actual fake shit, priovable fake shit that I think we need to really go further in identifying the source of behind those fake crap and arrest, fine and sanction the individuals behind that shit, no level of education can just make a person intelligent or make them do investigative work to confirm that some information that he really, really loves is in fact false.
And I know some fascist here will claim that trush is not objective, and my response is that a photoshoped document is 100% fake in all natural logic systems. The strategy used in Romanian presidential campaign by the Ruzzian aligned side was to put faked documents or information on social media then have media people share in on social media and then bringt the faked document in discussion on TV.
So don't cry for the regular idiot they still get their conspiracies and faked information from Ruzzia on social media and sometimes even in the mail, as an example they sent people faked official looking letters that they are getting called to military service to go and fight in Ukraine.
So please freedom of media but there must be consequences for external media not only for local one.
I don’t think your porn comparison works because normally what happens is governments set rules about what content can be shown at what times. In the UK, we call it the “watershed”.
Setting limits on what content can be shown at what times isn’t censorship because you’re not actually censoring content. What you’re doing is setting rules about scheduling content.
What you actually need is to have a feature on iPhone / Android (and on the home Wi-Fi) to block porn and that parents can enter a pin-code to unlock that, if you consider this is non-acceptable in your family.
Some broadcasters do already have this feature. For example if you watch adult content (doesn’t have to be nudity, could be violent shows or other content that isnt considered appropriate for children) on SkyTV (UK satellite) then then you get promoted for a pin if its before 9pm.
The thing I referred to in my previous comment is more of a historical thing before smart TVs and similar tech. Current RF technology is still just an evolution of the same signals sent 70+ years ago. So they’d moderate content via scheduling. “Terrestrial TV” still works that way today.
Right, so my local TV gets fined if they published something fake, like for example they had a news about some bullshit happening in Romania but they were showing a video from a different country, the TV claimed it was stupidity and not manipulation, they got fined.
So I want RT and other media to respect the exact same laws, if they do not want to respect our laws and continue to publish fake shit we block them until they pay their fines and start respecting the laws.
And trust me there is no communism censorship here in Romania, the TV is terrible still , you get tons of commercial to shitty suppliments and gambling, you get politicians presenting their bullshit conspiracies, you get the hosts claiming that Soros is doing everything that is wrong in the country and this days also Macron and France are big villains (because they upset Putin and the Zeds are super, duper butt hurt )), you can see ladies presenting themselves as "doctors in energy-shit-karma-bullshit" and claiming the vaccines caused a giant number of allergies and other crap that she and her company with ehr supplements will sell.
We still let people to be idiots but we need to not be idiots like a society and let paid and organized attacks on our population to continue, and we need to do more against this state organized attacks. (as I mentioned previously but maybe in other comment faked documents were sent by mail to people, this is clearly a state sponsored action, they had names and addresses, they falsified documents and then paid for physical mail delivery to make it look more authentic )
I love KDE, I am using it for 2 decades, I can't see the margins or font issues this other people see and I spend my time at the PC looking at the browser, Kate, Intellij and the deskotp panel and maybe a bit at the file manager Dolphin.
Why i love KDE is because I can customize it to work as I want not as it wants me to work, I do not bend my fingers to use what soem dude with GIANT ego wants me to use as key shortcuts, I remap them to fit my preferences, and I have a fucking tray icon where I can see if I have unread messages and guess what you can remove the Tray if you are that kind of fascist that hates it because the GIANT ego dude said that tray icons are not cool.
>The only specific thing Ubuntu did for beginners is sending CDs for free
Assuming you are not malicious I will kindly help with your bad memory, Ubuntu had always very good proprietary driver support, this made laptops actually work and helped beginners. I also remember they had a graphical installer compared to Debian and for sure this was beginners friendly. Maybe some other distro offered easy way to install and come with proprietary drivers setup but I can't remember a deb based distro doing that.
Anyway you were wrong, the CDs were not the only thing made Ubuntu appeal for beginners, there were Linux magazines with CDs each month and they were not super expensive , my first linux was a Kubuntu 6.10 from a magazine and I am still running Kubuntu today though i ran Debian, Sidux, Arch, Mandriva, SUSE in the past when I had time to try different distros, compile custom kernels etc.
>Proprietary driver installation was the sole reason of existence of Linux Mint which was a fork of ubuntu, so your memory is incorrect.
I think your memory is incorrect, you might be thinking of video codecs and maybe Flash not proprietary drivers, since Ubuntu already had support for easy install of drivers before Mint.
>I kinda feel like this is a self-placating statement that is not going to stay true for that long. We are so early in the process of developing AI good enough to do any of these things. Yes, right now you need senior level design skills and programming knowledge, but that doesn't mean that will stay true.
So you really think that in a few years some guy with no coding experience will ask the AI "Make me a GTA 6 clone that happens in Europe" and the AI will make actually make it, the code will just work and the performance will be excellent ?
The LLMs can't do that, they are attracted to solutions they seen in their training, this means sometimes they over complicate things, they do not see clever solutions, or apply theory and sometimes they are just stupid and hallucinate variable names and functions , like say 50% of the time it would use speed and 50% of the time it would use velocity and hte code will fail because undefined stuff.
I am not afraid of LLMs taking my job, I am afraid of bullshit marketing that convinces the CEO/management that if they buy me Claude then I must work 10x faster.
And, somewhat besides the point, generative AI is getting better at a lot of those things as well. Maybe I want to believe this will happen because it's probably the only way to get a sequel to Sleeping Dogs.
art, design, testing, producer stuff, composer, sound designer writer. Then product and creative manager, art and technical director and thet all the rest. And at the end game can be no fun at all.
Also gta has thousands bugs still, cant imagine how many AI would make and if you could solve to actually complete massive project like that
> So you really think that in a few years some guy with no coding experience will ask the AI "Make me a GTA 6 clone that happens in Europe" and the AI will make actually make it, the code will just work and the performance will be excellent ?
There is definitely a path from here to the future where the most senior engineer in your org/dept/team decides he can make some big project without some subset of more-junior employees because he has Claude. The managers or PMs won’t be coding without engineers, but it’s definitely possible for engineers to code with less teammates, especially if the very experienced ones are the ones planning and guiding the effort.
> The LLMs can't do that, they are attracted to solutions they seen in their training, this means…
None of the things you’ve said this means match my experience using LLMs to write real, usable, viable code. It might not be the most performant or perfect code, but it’s certainly usable and most software isn’t written at Google or whatever and don’t need to support hundreds of millions of customers at scale. If it took a day instead of a month, then “the business” might decide that’s a worthy tradeoff.
>None of the things you’ve said this means match my experience using LLMs to write real, usable, viable code. It might not be the most performant or perfect code, but it’s certainly usable and most software isn’t written at Google or whatever and don’t need to support hundreds of millions of customers at scale. If it took a day instead of a month, then “the business” might decide that’s a worthy tradeoff.
It depends on your project, I seen a lot of stupidity in the AI, like in a lua project where arrays were 1 indexed it would 0 index them, somehow the c like behaviour was too strong of a force to drag the model in that direction.
For example when i test an image generator I ask it to create a photo of the front of a book store and to include no brands, labels or texts (because they always include english text and most of the time there are spelling errors), but the AIs can't make a shop without the branding/text above teh door, they are just so over trained on this concept that explicti commands can't fix it,
so the same with LLMs, they are attracted to the average most popular shit they seen in the training data, so without instructions by you or maybe by the provider behind the hidden prompts it will output outdated javascript using "var" . it will output unoptimized algorithms, and even if you used a specific variable name it will be strongly be pushed to rename it to whatever is most popular in the training data.
Yes, I can make the LLMs write soem good code but ony if I baby sit it, tell it exactly what files to read as inspiration, what features to use and what to do,
for sure I can't just paste the text in a ticket and let if free.
I also use it to review my code for bugs, it can find up to 5-% of the bugs and halucinate others that are not possible (like it would sugerate that if $x is null then something would crash and I should check for that, but the type system would already ensure $x can't be null so it really needs more training to do simple stuff... to be original and not just regurgitate the most popular things it was trained on it would need to be something not based on LLM architecture
What if took 1 day and 1 month later, prod is on fire and no ones know why? Speed does not equate quality. And based on my experience, after 1.0, discussions about the features take more time than coding them. Especially with paying customers.
> So you really think that in a few years some guy with no coding experience will ask the AI "Make me a GTA 6 clone that happens in Europe" and the AI will make actually make it, the code will just work and the performance will be excellent ?
I don't know the answer, as much as anyone else, and obviously I'm skeptical that it'll happen.
But then if I think back to 2018, and imagine what I would think if I saw even GPT-OSS-20b back then, it would have been close to magic and absolutely not something I would have expect. I felt the same about GPT2 when it first launched too, when LLMs started to show small bit of promise. GPT3 was insane even when it launched.
So I guess I wouldn't base "what could happen in the future" based on what I personally believe is possible, because LLMs definitely fell into that camp just a few years ago, so why not with larger coding tasks too, which I see as unlikely today?
We use OpenAI API at work, it fails when translating children stories, the reason is violence. Either the model safety is shit or the AI companies are pushed by some extremists groups to censor shit that is acceptable for children in Europe (Romania). But the most bullshit is when you give it a safe prompt, the mdoel generates a response and the safety checker kicks in and blocks the response because it thinks the model was too naughty.
>And yes, people being able to use your code for whatever they want is absolutely more open than having restrictions on how/who gets to use it.
Yes, this is why people should use free not open , and GPL is more free when you report to the entire community otherwise you are in the famous case from a story where an USAian was claiming "Amerika is the land of the free, we are free to own slaves"
>This, btw, is also why claims that some side is targeting civilians in otherwise 'productive' warfare (e.g. actually achieving things instead of bombing for the sake of fear/terrorism/headlines/photo ops) is usually just lying propaganda. Civilians are a worse than 0 value target meaning you completely wasted your munitions.
The issue in your logic is assuming Ruzzia/Kremlin uses same natural logic as the rest of the world, I talked with many Zed patriots, that country uses a non natural logic, Zed Logic. Add on top of the unatural logic, the brainwashing and the fact that most of thye soldiers are murderers and rapists from prisons and you get a lot of civilians killed or abused by this asshols for fun or other reasons that make no sense in a natural logic.
An example of Zed logic
When Ruzzia attacks some civilian infrastructure in Ukraine (like grain storage) then Zeds claim it is legal, but when Ukraine strikes a military ship Zeds claim this is illegal, it is terrorism because... ... the ship was outside the SMO (special military operation) that Putin decided to be.
I am not joking, the Zeds are full of this bullshit logic, something ie legal/correct is always dependent of who makes the crime, where the crime is happening, who is the victim.
Second best Zed logic shit I heard is "USSR was the best democracy ever, in the entire human history"
The article claims that the software should have been geo fensed in that area but Tesla failed to do that, that the software should have trigger warnings of collisions but it did not do that. So there were things Tesla wanted to hide.
I don't necessarily disagree, but I personally find these "but you theoretically could have done even more to prevent this"-type arguments to be a little dubious in cases where the harm was caused primarily by operator negligence.
I do like the idea of incentivizing companies to take all reasonable steps to protect people from shooting themselves in the foot, but what counts as "reasonable" is also pretty subjective, and liability for having a different opinion about what's "reasonable" seems to me to be a little capricious.
For example, the system did have a mechanism for reacting to potential collisions. The vehicle operator overrode it by pushing the gas pedal. But the jury still thinks Tesla is still to blame because they didn't also program an obnoxious alarm to go off in that situation? I suppose that might have been helpful in this particular situation. But exactly how far should they legally have to go in order to not be liable for someone else's stupidity?
>I don't necessarily disagree, but I personally find these "but you theoretically could have done even more to prevent this"-type arguments to be a little dubious in cases where the harm was caused primarily by operator negligence.
The article says that soem government agency demanded Tesla to actually geofense the areas Tesla claims their software is incapable to handle. I am not a Tesla owner and did not read the small fonts manual, do Tesla reserve the rights that they might also not sound the alarm when the car is going at speed straight into an other car while a driver is not having the hands on the wheel? sounds bad, the driver is not steering, the car is driving on an area where it is incapable of driving still and it is heading into a obstacle and the alarm is not sounding (still from the article it seemed like this was a glitch that they were trying to hide, and that this was not supposed to happen)
Anyway Tesla was forced to show the data, they did tried to hide it, so even if fanboys will attempt to put the blame `100% on the driver the jurry and Tesla 's actions tell us that the software did not function as adevertised.
>Bewildering to see the outrage over this. Get real, cleaning up the smut is not an attack on free speech or democracy.
Sure, religious fascists enjoy this now,
next they will remove GTA and shooter games, metal music and Hip HOp
and when some Rust fanboy extremist will complain C++ and PHP content will be removed for safety reasons.
We need to complain so religious fascist content is removed too
>it'd probably be net improvement vs the current status quo.
That is small/quick/shallow thinking, first you need PHP/C++ content so new developers can learn how to maintain existing code , the Rust God is unable to instantly convert any code to Rust.
Secondly, maybe you hate PHP but then they will come after Python because it's stupid white space syntax shit, or after Linux and KDE because are C and C++ , then Java and C# because are not cool enough.
If the Rust extremists would spend their time and money on writing code and not post comments, blogs, podcasts etc there might be some non toy OS, browser, desktop environment, editor etc , but as with this other religion they are all big mouths and telling others what they should do since that is easy and the makes feel better about their work as trying to get new souls for their God to .
Can you please explain why there is no big push from the Google and Apple to remove microphone and camera access from the browsers? You claim that most users are "less skilled" and will allow anything , so for the grater good why not pushing to remove microphone, camera and file upload permissions? Why do we trust this users with reading a popup for permissions ?
Or maybe if the popups are not clear or good enough maybe is not the users fault ?
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