Congrats on this bold justification you’ve created to justify your role in the exploitation process, but you’re not fooling anyone. There is no moral or material logic for this nonsense.
I am simply saying there is no moral justification for any of it.
It’s important to take seriously because the logical outcome of this turn to remote work will otherwise be greater class divisions than the world has ever known, within the same economic structures.
I would agree that since there's no agreement of morals or ethics, it's easy to justify or vilify any action. So discussing the morality of employment is fruitless.
Equally Labour entropy suggests that jobs will flow from high-cost locations to low cost locations. Remote work reduces the friction of this flow. If you can work from home in SV you can do the same job from home in ohio, or Latvia or India.
External forces are at work to increase or decrease the friction of this entropy, but for the most part it seems to be flowing in one direction.
Whether this is moral or nor seems to be in the eye of the beholder.
So are you saying if you hire a foreign remote worker, they should be get the same salary as a US worker? Moreover, how could paying a standard wage for a country ever be considered exploitation?
You’re saying: we’re already exploiting foreign labor to some extent, so why not do it more? What kind of logic is that?
The global labor trade has proven a disaster for decades on end. It has destroyed the American middle class. There is no moral justification for any of it.
Agreed but will you be wiling to put in their additional oversight (at least in the beginning)for more cost effective labor and potentially more work output (if effective systems are in place and there is good oversight).
Note that the same devs are able to compete with their US peers in companies like Google, MS etc. who have local presence.
The real question is, what are companies in India willing to do to gain credibility? Assembling a "warm body shop" doesn't add much.
Pick a problem space to specialize in, assemble a competent team and develop an open source app for it. Then use this as "proof of work" for marketing purposes.
You undoubtedly know Indian culture better than me --- what do you think is the most likely response to this sort of selection process?
I totally relate to your challenges. But things have changed a lot of now. Developers are more exposed to product development environment and while they will still need to understand the US business culture there is a far greater willingness to learn. When I look at my friends who did their education in India but now working here in the US and compare them with their peers in India, I don't see a difference in skills, only a lack of exposure.
Just personal anecdote. The original comment is spot on because the money saved on salary is spend on time spend on communicating ideas at much granular and micro level details to get work done and everyone is looking for an opportunity for moving out of the country first.
So if a company do not offer an option for overseas job sooner or later the person will try to move to an outfit which promises them for some overseas job.
I had better success with teams from Ukraine, Poland and Europe in general compared to Indian teams and costed about the same for finished project. For detail and innovative work the EU team performed n general much better than Indian team. In Asia my Vietnamese staff got a team from Vietnam and quality was also very good, especially with Ruby on rails, C# and are more stable than the team in India. The only thing favouring India is its large population, but still quality matters over quantity and when it comes to quality USA, EU perform better as the culture of quality is ingrained. In India people have to do Jugaad from the very beginning so most find shortcuts to do things especially in code they copy/paste by googling and work based on continuous trial/error without figuring out fundamentals on how it worked (there are brilliant people from India in my team just few though and hard to find). For mobile development especially iOS and swift teams from China did better, but still for long term the quality of EU and US teams in code is better.
